Hey, I've been in a firefight before! Well, I was in a fire. Actually, I was fired from a fry-cook opportunity. I can handle myself.

Wash ,'War Stories'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


§ ita § - May 09, 2009 3:37:22 pm PDT #3112 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Learn micro-expressions here somewhere.


beth b - May 09, 2009 8:18:45 pm PDT #3113 of 11831
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Just watched Bones. really good to see that some of the stuff that seemed off had an explanation.

you know, I'd watch a show called Hogins and friends in the lab


Vortex - May 09, 2009 8:21:45 pm PDT #3114 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

There's apparently an on-line course you can take to learn to recognize micro-expressions pretty reliably that only takes an hour or so, but once you learn, you can't turn it off. I'm glad someone out there is figuring this stuff out, but I'm also glad it's not me. Knowing what emotions people are hiding but not why they're feeling them or why they're hiding them seems like it would be enormously stressful.

It's like they say. It's not that hard to figure out that someone is lying, but why they are lying is the key.


-t - May 10, 2009 12:56:59 pm PDT #3115 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Exactly. With the average person telling three lies in a ten-minute conversation, all that figuring out why would be exhausting.


beth b - May 10, 2009 3:08:03 pm PDT #3116 of 11831
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

now you are making me wonder if I lie without realizing I am lying.

I know I do. I am especially good at pretending I know why something happens. I come to my reason logically, but ith no facts. It is fun. As long as I remember I can't do that at the library.


§ ita § - May 10, 2009 3:16:24 pm PDT #3117 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

With the average person telling three lies in a ten-minute conversation

Who are they conversing with? I just don't have those conversations--I must either skew the average, or save my lies up for conversations filled with untruths.


-t - May 10, 2009 3:21:21 pm PDT #3118 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I don't know. I got that statistic off the website you linked to, I think.

Or I was lying.

Or maybe I'm lying now.

Eta: I can't find it, now, so there's no telling where I got it.


beekaytee - May 10, 2009 3:24:22 pm PDT #3119 of 11831
Compassionately intolerant

now you are making me wonder if I lie without realizing I am lying.

I really enjoy Lie to Me but I'm a little vexed by all the websites that are popping up screeching that they can teach you how to protect yourself from lying liers who lie. The vast majority of the people I work with believe the things they say even when they aren't speaking their truest minds.

The words are so much less important than the underlying, and often complex, reasons for saying them.


§ ita § - May 10, 2009 4:35:57 pm PDT #3120 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The character's superpower is ferreting out the truth. He uses his ability to detect lies to do it. That's what separates him from his protegée.


beekaytee - May 10, 2009 5:36:38 pm PDT #3121 of 11831
Compassionately intolerant

That's what separates him from his protegée.

Right. He doesn't seek the lie as an end result. I really appreciate that.

People, in my experience, get so caught up in feelings of betrayal and anger as permanent, that they don't give themselves the chance to make the experience actually mean anything useful.

That's the interesting, and subtle, irony of Lightman's obsession with the tapes of his mother. He keeps going back to reconfirm guilt rather than to grieve through the mistake. (it seems to me)

Obviously, he uses the experience as fuel for his other work, but the suffering he allows himself, he never seems to support in others.