Oh, okay. Didn't notice the date on your post - I keep unsubscribing from this thread and forgetting to resubscribe, I miss things.

Wolfram, I'm hoping that there is an awesome payoff to the question of whether or not Red is Liz's father.

It seems inevitable to me that he is, but given all the to and fro, I can't figure out if it is just bad storytelling or if all this 'obscuring' of both images and text has some purpose.

The fulcrum device is intriguing but it seemed like a big buildup for something that could have been more simply explained.

I did like the intensity of these last few episodes. Edge of the seat stuff.

I did like the intensity of these last few episodes. Edge of the seat stuff.

Yeah, they're building to something. So the Red thing is still up in the air then. I thought there was an episode where Liz asks him straight out and he denies being her father, but it also seems like there's no other place to go with that relationship.

I'm not that into Cooper's cancer/moral greying storyline. I wish they'd give Hiram and Mossad lady more stuff to do.

I thought there was an episode where Liz asks him straight out and he denies being her father, but it also seems like there's no other place to go with that relationship.

This is exactly what I am saying. They made it look like yes, then gave a definite no, and now are hinting at it again. I just don't see any other interesting conclusion but would just want it to be resolved once and for all so they can get on with it.

I'm not that into Cooper's cancer/moral greying storyline. I wish they'd give Hiram and Mossad lady more stuff to do.

Totally this as well.

Blurring Cooper's morality is a cheap and unnecessary trick. Every other character skates multiple lines, which I'm fine with. But there ought to be a moral focal point so that everybody lying to everybody doesn't become cliched, cartoony badness.

I'll be disappointed if he turns out to be her dad. Seems to me there's got to be something more to it. I was intrigued at the idea someone or other floated in the last couple of eps that he's been dangling that as a way to keep her invested, and it's total BS.

I don't think that's the case either, but I hope it's something interesting.

I do not believe Red counts as a reliable source, whatever he may have said on the matter to date.

Skinhead Tom Keen is disturbingly hot.

Could he have killed her dad?

Well, he did kill the man who raised her.

Could he have killed her dad?

He did. If he turns out he killed her biological dad as well, I think it'll feel kind of redundant.

inevitable xpost

They keep throwing in these clues that say he's her father, he keeps insisting he isn't. They're just f*king with us, right?

They're just f*king with us, right?

Seems like it. They did toss in that line from the director (of clandestine affairs?) about how Liz looks just like her mother. I think they're going to try and distract us from the is he/isn't he her Papa question with a How I Kinda Met Your Mom storyline.