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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Frankenbuddha - Oct 29, 2013 10:12:18 am PDT #10224 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I agree with ita ! that the writers have given absolutely no reason for the viewer to like Pi, and I don't think that's just a miscalculation on their part like, say, Zane on Eureka seemed to be (which I also thought they did a pretty good job of fixing later on). Alexis comes off looking oblivious at best, if not in full blown denial of Pi's myriad flaws.

Then again, IRL I've known some very smart people to do unaccountable things romantically.


§ ita § - Oct 29, 2013 10:20:11 am PDT #10225 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then again, IRL I've known some very smart people to do unaccountable things romantically

And I worry that she's going to a) be shown wrong b) be shown right. I only hope they both accept the other had some points.

I enjoyed their puzzle-solving shenanigans more than any of the movies they name-checked (unless there was, and maybe even in addition to, an Indy reference). Have a look, Dan!


DCJensen - Oct 29, 2013 10:40:33 am PDT #10226 of 11831
All is well that ends in pizza.

What, exactly, are Pi's myriad flaws? Are they flaws or just character traits or life outlook?

I think we need to come up with a list to debate.


§ ita § - Oct 29, 2013 10:47:40 am PDT #10227 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are they flaws or just character traits or life outlook?

I couldn't start to answer your question without knowing why those are mutually exclusive.


aurelia - Oct 29, 2013 6:45:55 pm PDT #10228 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm hoping all this is leading up to building a stronger connection between Beckett and Alexis. We've had plenty of clues that Beckett declared her independence in all kinds of ways that her parents didn't approve of. She seems to understand that this is just Alexis trying to become her own person.

I don't think Castle is wrong because Pi is ridiculous and I don't think Alexis is wrong because, well... she's 19 and Pi isn't a bad person. I also don't think Pi will last too much longer because he is so very ridiculous.


WindSparrow - Oct 29, 2013 6:54:40 pm PDT #10229 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Some of the things that Castle does not like about Pi are not necessarily character flaws, but just a very different outlook on life. These are the things that I can think of that count as potential warning signs for character flaws on Pi's part:

1. Whatever the heck happened to his passport/Amsterdam home. Now, there may be a genuinely innocent explanation, but it seems at best to indicate some flakiness.

2. Leaving his personal possessions strewn about such that Rick stepped on the business end of his belt buckle. While being a bit messy is hardly the worst sin, a little safety consciousness is a big virtue especially in someone else's home. (I say this as THE person who can never remember to shut cupboard doors.)

3. Not having a job when he met his girlfriend's dad. This could be a sign of a gold-digger. The facts that he has a very good reason to be between jobs, having just come back from Central America, and that he managed to get a new job fairly quickly may tell against it, but that does not take way the bad taste in the mouth from the first impression.

4. He is awfully New Agey, very surfer casual in how quickly he was ready to just crash on his girlfriend's couch. That is all outlook/personality. I mean, that is the part of him he has used most to contribute to the household - breakfast smoothies, Rei-ki. This seems to bother Castle as much as anything I consider to be a genuine problem.


Ginger - Oct 29, 2013 7:00:59 pm PDT #10230 of 11831
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Pi thinks spelling isn't important. This is a character flaw.


brenda m - Oct 29, 2013 7:02:00 pm PDT #10231 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Wow, flaky and messy and not super considerate at 19.

We've seen all of that but also generally goodheartedness. Clueless, and intensely annoying to Castle? For sure. Not in line with his vision of Alexis? Absolutely. Worse than that? Not really. He needs to get over this shit.


aurelia - Oct 29, 2013 7:24:52 pm PDT #10232 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

It's the fruitarian thing that gets me the most. He's like the flip side to my post-college boyfriend's roommate who ate nothing but ramen for 2 months and ended up with scurvy. After that if someone mentioned ramen he'd shake his head and say, "Oh man, that stuff'll give you scurvy."


§ ita § - Oct 30, 2013 5:35:30 am PDT #10233 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My parents would ban Pi from the house, and me dating him wouldn't even have to come into it. That's where I come at it from. Their house, their rules, and thing #1--you offer respect to the parents hosting you, and you adjust to their ways, or you leave.

They were clear about this when I was 12, and they were super duper clear when I was 19. The minute one of them got even mildly injured because he was treating their floor like his closet we would be encouraged to never speak of him to them again, and keep our socialising out of the house.

Castle was rude in their apartment, no question there (I'm trying to imagine my parents there, and it's nothing but laughs (at everyone's expense)), but if Pi wasn't respectful in his, is it an important part of Pi's social contract? 19 is plenty old enough to be respectful. And it's clear that Castle isn't used to disrespectful friends of Alexis.

So--even if he'd dislike him only because he's dating Alexis, I don't think there's a question that the writers chose to paint him as a buffoon, albeit one who wants to save the world.