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'Potential'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Trudy Booth - Oct 29, 2013 8:44:41 am PDT #10219 of 11831
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

My impression is that Rick wouldn't like anyone his "little girl" brought home. If he were super driven and they were having dates at lectures by famous professors he'd go back to complaining about her not being a kid and having fun.

I'm a little annoyed that the fact that she was drugged and abducted was simply never mentioned again (maybe in one subsequent episode?) If he thought she'd be safer in the loft than the hood that would make sense.

The one thing I really DID like was her declining ice cream. If she's growing up and he's not that's a pretty interesting dynamic.


§ ita § - Oct 29, 2013 8:49:53 am PDT #10220 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The fact that they are not dealing with specific behavior leaves the impression that Castle's objections to Pi are all "I just don't like him, and look, he's sloppy and lax and a freeloader.

But we get to see Pi being a sloppy freeloader. So we know what Rick knows, with no explanation of why he can't use his words with Alexis, but we have no Alexis PoV, so we don't know why she can't tell he's a) sloppy and b) freeloading, both of which behaviours seem pretty obvious.

The one thing I really DID like was her declining ice cream. If she's growing up and he's not that's a pretty interesting dynamic.

Her speech at the end would have been really great if they'd left any room for subjectivity. No matter if Rick would hate anyone, this guy isn't anyone. Mocking the bee work was petulant and childish, but this is the first episode where Rick was whining and Pi did nothing out of line.

Maybe we were to be shown that there was nothing right Pi could do? Fair. But you still have to address the annoying things Pi did without a care in the world. Loving the bees is great, but being a douchecanoe to fellow humans isn't.


Trudy Booth - Oct 29, 2013 9:40:51 am PDT #10221 of 11831
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I see two different issues. Pi is a lousy guest and Rick wanted him the hell out of his house. He's gone now.

Now he needs a non-houseguest reason to dislike the guy and has moved onto bees. And the futon. I don't think its rash for Alexa, having fixed the problem, to think her father is hating the guy just to hate him.

Particularly since a) she's dealt with a string of her father's romances and b) an environmentalist isn't good enough for her daddy who's got the super-stable career of... fiction writer? Sure, it worked out well for him, but at 20 he was likely no more financially promising than Pi.


Trudy Booth - Oct 29, 2013 9:46:10 am PDT #10222 of 11831
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

WindSparrow - Oct 29, 2013 10:08:21 am PDT #10223 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

But we get to see Pi being a sloppy freeloader. So we know what Rick knows, with no explanation of why he can't use his words with Alexis, but we have no Alexis PoV, so we don't know why she can't tell he's a) sloppy and b) freeloading, both of which behaviours seem pretty obvious.

That is why it is hard to tell if it is poor writing insofar as Castle could be saying, "I don't like the belt left on the floor," but instead is seeming to say, "I don't like this guy you brought home (look, he left his belt on the floor, that's why I don't like him, I knew when you brought him here he would do that because boy and hair and woowoo)." I mean, if they intend for Castle to not like Pi and therefore not handle things rationally, they are doing a bang-up job.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 29, 2013 10:12:18 am PDT #10224 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I agree with ita ! that the writers have given absolutely no reason for the viewer to like Pi, and I don't think that's just a miscalculation on their part like, say, Zane on Eureka seemed to be (which I also thought they did a pretty good job of fixing later on). Alexis comes off looking oblivious at best, if not in full blown denial of Pi's myriad flaws.

Then again, IRL I've known some very smart people to do unaccountable things romantically.


§ ita § - Oct 29, 2013 10:20:11 am PDT #10225 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Then again, IRL I've known some very smart people to do unaccountable things romantically

And I worry that she's going to a) be shown wrong b) be shown right. I only hope they both accept the other had some points.

I enjoyed their puzzle-solving shenanigans more than any of the movies they name-checked (unless there was, and maybe even in addition to, an Indy reference). Have a look, Dan!


DCJensen - Oct 29, 2013 10:40:33 am PDT #10226 of 11831
All is well that ends in pizza.

What, exactly, are Pi's myriad flaws? Are they flaws or just character traits or life outlook?

I think we need to come up with a list to debate.


§ ita § - Oct 29, 2013 10:47:40 am PDT #10227 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are they flaws or just character traits or life outlook?

I couldn't start to answer your question without knowing why those are mutually exclusive.


aurelia - Oct 29, 2013 6:45:55 pm PDT #10228 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm hoping all this is leading up to building a stronger connection between Beckett and Alexis. We've had plenty of clues that Beckett declared her independence in all kinds of ways that her parents didn't approve of. She seems to understand that this is just Alexis trying to become her own person.

I don't think Castle is wrong because Pi is ridiculous and I don't think Alexis is wrong because, well... she's 19 and Pi isn't a bad person. I also don't think Pi will last too much longer because he is so very ridiculous.