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Comedy 1: A Little Song, a Little Dance, a Little Seltzer Down Your Pants

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DavidS - Jul 11, 2011 7:15:14 am PDT #4183 of 8625
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

How is using the first syllable of "Gypsy" *not* related to Gypsies/Romani/Travellers?

I cited upthread that it first entered the language as slang from Cambridge students for their servants. They got it from the Greek word for "vulture" with the implication that their servants would steal them blind. (Classist!)

I wonder if spelling it "jipped" moves it further away from a Gypsy connotation. Not trying to salvage the word for those who find it offensive, but just curious about the linguistic/historical process by which words which were once offensive lose their potency.

brenda, "wussy" is derived from contracting "wimp" and "pussy" so that doesn't help.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 7:23:10 am PDT #4184 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

How is using the first syllable of "Gypsy" *not* related to Gypsies/Romani/Travellers?

I cited upthread that it first entered the language as slang from Cambridge students for their servants. They got it from the Greek word for "vulture" with the implication that their servants would steal them blind. (Classist!)

I read that. And yet I'm reasonably sure that people don't associate it with servants at Cambridge university.


DavidS - Jul 11, 2011 7:25:41 am PDT #4185 of 8625
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And yet I'm reasonably sure that people don't associate it with servants at Cambridge university.

Well, I didn't associate it with gypsies either.


Steph L. - Jul 11, 2011 7:39:41 am PDT #4186 of 8625
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Well, I didn't associate it with gypsies either.

You individually didn't know that. I'm comfortable making the assumption that there are more people currently in existence who know that "gyp" is likely derived from "Gypsy" than there are people who know that it came from servants at Cambridge university.


DavidS - Jul 11, 2011 8:05:45 am PDT #4187 of 8625
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If the derivation of the word does not originally come from a slur on gypsies then it's a different issue. Its an inadvertent association, sort of like the homonym issue you get with "niggardly."


Hil R. - Jul 11, 2011 8:06:49 am PDT #4188 of 8625
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The first time I ever heard "gypped" was in the context of "this is a word you shouldn't use, because it's insulting to Gypsies." I'd never noticed "gypped" being used in any way before that, but after that, I started noticing it in old books. I had no idea it was still in modern usage at all until I started hearing it more often in the past few years.

There was an episode of House where his patient was a teenage Roma boy, and House made a point of using "gypped" in his presence a few times just to get him annoyed.


Hil R. - Jul 11, 2011 8:07:43 am PDT #4189 of 8625
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The Greek association seems odd to me. Does Greek even have that J sound?


DavidS - Jul 11, 2011 8:08:32 am PDT #4190 of 8625
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Does Greek even have that J sound?

How do you pronounce "gyros"?


Hil R. - Jul 11, 2011 8:11:25 am PDT #4191 of 8625
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

How do you pronounce "gyros"?

yee-ros.


Kathy A - Jul 11, 2011 8:21:28 am PDT #4192 of 8625
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

There are a lot of places in Chicagoland that serve burgers, hot dogs, Italian Beef, and gyros under the same roof, and most if not all Chicagoans of all ethnicities pronouce it "yee-ros," not "jai-ros."