What'd you all order a dead guy for?

Jayne ,'The Message'


Spike's Bitches 37: You take the killing for granted.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Sophia Brooks - Sep 26, 2007 4:30:49 am PDT #7125 of 10001
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Happy matilda Day!


Steph L. - Sep 26, 2007 4:31:24 am PDT #7126 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Also THANK YOU Steph for finally making me understand the toy boat fetish thing. It has been haunting me for years now, ever since that first fetish map! It didn't help that I was not picturing inflatable boats, but plastic and wooden boats.

Oh thank god it wasn't just me. I was picturing this kind of toy boat. Which I suppose could also be a fetish, if you were into wood & canvas instead of vinyl.

The thing that makes be blink about the toy boats isn't that it's weird or icky, more that it's so specific. I mean, under what circumstances does someone come to realize "Aha! I need inflatable toy boats to get off! No wonder I'm so frustrated!"? As opposed to something like feet or spanking, which are pretty easy to encounter incidentally in a sexual context.

Actually, in discussing it with The Boy last night, he has a *completely* different take on the toy boat thing. First of all, "inflatable boats" is *already* on the fetish map (I just hadn't noticed it when I formulated my theory), so that could make my theory a bunch of hooey.

Anyway, here's The Boy's take: he's thinking that it's not an inflatable boat, but it is, like Sophia thought, probably a plastic/wooden boat that's the kind a kid would sail in a lake/pond/whatever.

On the fetish map, there are those symbols for "male" and "female" -- the circle with an arrow for men, and the circle with a cross for women -- that are next to many of the fetishes. The Boy's theory is that those symbols don't mean (necessarily) which gender engages in the fetish, but which gender is *associated* with the fetish.

Here's an example: there's a "female" symbol next to necrophilia; The Boy's theory is that there really aren't a lot of women wanting to have sex with a dead man, but there ARE lots of men whose fantasy is having sex with a dead woman.

(Yeah, that's an extreme example, and, frankly, I have no idea if those statistics, such as they are, are correct. But I really just meant it to illustrate what The Boy was talking about w/r/t the gender symbols on the chart.)

So, then, there's a "female" symbol next to the "toy boat" part of the fetish map; The Boy thinks that, because so many fetishes are established in childhood, it's a fetish/fantasy based on sailing your toy boat in a lake/pond/whatever, and having it get out of your range, and having an adult woman rescue the boat.

I said that seemed sketchy, and he said, "No, think about it: that's the kind of occurrence that might well be a boy's first interaction with a woman who's not a relative, and it might cause sexual feelings in him, which would be linked to the toy boat."

Which *does,* in fact, fit the clinical definition of a fetish, but I would never have thought of it.


Steph L. - Sep 26, 2007 4:32:17 am PDT #7127 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I felt that Matilda deserved her own, toy-boat-free post:

Happy Birthday, Matilda Azalea Smay!!!


Sophia Brooks - Sep 26, 2007 4:38:45 am PDT #7128 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Thanks again Steph!

The thing that gets me about the toy boat fetish (other than what Jessica said) is that I literally don't understand what you do with the toy boat that gets you off. Is it just looking at/fantasizing about the toy boat? Do you insert the toy boat somewhere? Do you dress up as a toy boat?


Amy - Sep 26, 2007 4:51:04 am PDT #7129 of 10001
Because books.

I forgot Matilda's middle name is Azalea. Love that.

Is it just looking at/fantasizing about the toy boat? Do you insert the toy boat somewhere? Do you dress up as a toy boat?

I'd sort of like to know the answer to that, too.


Steph L. - Sep 26, 2007 4:54:03 am PDT #7130 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Is it just looking at/fantasizing about the toy boat? Do you insert the toy boat somewhere? Do you dress up as a toy boat?

I'd sort of like to know the answer to that, too.

That's probably different for everyone who has that fetish. I'm not trying to be glib here.


Aims - Sep 26, 2007 4:55:29 am PDT #7131 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Gives me all new images of "pulling the rudder".


Frankenbuddha - Sep 26, 2007 4:55:40 am PDT #7132 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

First of congrats to sj and TCG!!! Yay!!!

Second, Happy Matilda Day!!!

Third, my take on the toy boat thing is it's a wind-up toy, and put to use much like the toy scuba diver in TIE ME UP! TIE ME DOWN!, but that's just a guess.


Aims - Sep 26, 2007 4:55:57 am PDT #7133 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATILDA!

CONGRATS SJ AND TCG!!


Amy - Sep 26, 2007 4:58:57 am PDT #7134 of 10001
Because books.

That's probably different for everyone who has that fetish. I'm not trying to be glib here.

Oh, I know. I just ... have a hard time imagining how that plays out.