That The Boy is friends with the husbands of the women I took bellydancing with, and I met him through them.

Which is more or less true, just kind of shifty on the timeline.

I have led the sort of life that rarely has boys around that need to be explained to my mother, so I've been spared even a kink-free need to explain. But I'd probably do what you did, perhaps even skip the "I met him through them" and just look at them like I'd said it.

People are often willing to do the work of lying to themselves if you lead them adjacent to the deception.

Generally, saying "oh, you know, the usual -- through friends," tends to work, except when you get really nosy people like *my parents* (eeeeek!), who ask, "Oh, what friends?"

"you don't know them" works too.

"you don't know them" works too.

"They're in Canada" has proven to be useful....

"you don't know them" works too.

That would just prompt my parents to THEN ask, "Well, who are they?"

Yeah, it is massive nosiness, but I also have a good relationship with my parents, and (more or less) always have. And they've always known my friends, and my brother's friends, because that's just how my family is.

t edit For instance, when my mom and stepdad went to Vermont to visit my brother a couple of years ago, Trudy and megan walker happened to also be in Vermont, and so I had pointed Trudy and megan towards my bro's restaurant, and my mom and stepdad hung out with them.

Granted, my mom had met Trudy before, but still. I wasn't even *there,* and my mom hung out with my friends. That's what my parents are like.

But then you meet friends who enjoy a little recreational bondage, and that's really not a family activity, so then the parents don't know *all* the friends.

Yeah, I had the same issues with my mom, Steph. She knew about pretty much everything, so holding something back suddenly became a Big Deal. Not a huge everything-is-my-business-how-dare-you-not-tell-me Big Deal, but definitely a behaving-outside-the-norm BD.

My dad doesn't so much ask and doesn't remember much of what he's told, so you can pretty much tell him anything you want. "What friends?" "You know, those ones I told you about?" "Ok".)

ETA: He's not senile or anything, he just doesn't listen very well.

Because her DOB is off, they probably won't let her do it online because they can't verify.

This. Can't do it online. They'll send me one for free in the mail, but I won't BE here by the time it gets here....and they won't send it someplace that I don't have proof I live there. Which is understandable, but....

it makes me wonder what really is kinky anymore

Heh. I was wondering that myself--I know I hang out with a bent group of people, so my perceptions are a little off, but...what DOES Middle America find kinky? A little being tied up? Some smacking the ass doesn't seem to make anyone blink...do you have to smack with something other than a hand? Or do it a lot? I start to wonder, if the only things that make me take a step back are the things that most of America is going to step back at (pony play? piercing play? electrocution?), who's kinky anymore?

"oh, you know, the usual -- through friends," tends to work, except when you get really nosy people like *my parents* (eeeeek!), who ask, "Oh, what friends?"

Heh. That's what I generally say about people I met on the internet!!

One of my young friends is exploring his kink with a vengeance. His parents recently mentioned that he had a 'hot date' but that they had no information about the datee. Thank dog for my poker face. Move along 'rents...you really don't want to know.

Last week, a friend of mine brought her soon-to-be stepdaughter to the weekly Goth Stitch & Bitch. (StB stepdaughter is 15.) The girl made an off-hand comment about her boyfriend and handcuffs. As one, all of us in the room looked at her and said "Do we need to have the talk about safewords with you?"

She turned a little red and said no. Her StB stepmother said "See, this is why I brought you. You can ask these ladies anything."

I start to wonder, if the only things that make me take a step back are the things that most of America is going to step back at (pony play? piercing play? electrocution?), who's kinky anymore?

By the meara definition, I definitely qualify.

Except for the piercing play. Although I'd probably try it.

t /TMI

Uh, yeah. See, you ask a question like that, and you're going to be sorry you asked.

These folks know nothing about their kid, I suspect. Sad, but relatively convenient for him.

You can ask these ladies anything.

Bless.

When aforementioned kid brought his interests up to me (he was carrying a how-to book considered the 'bible') he didn't even blink and I shifted smoothly into the safeword discussion. It was an honor, I tell you.

I'm just hoping he doesn't use the 'issue' to beat his clueless 'rents with. Not because they don't deserve it on some levels but because that way lies some stuff I honestly don't think he'll be glad of in the long run.

In the meanwhile, he's got me for a safe place. It will ever be thus.

Heh. I'm not saying any of those are bad or that I totally rule them out, it's just...I feel like anything "less" than that is not going to shock middle america. And I feel like it would've used to. (Huh, does this tie into that "Raunch Culture" discussion the other day? I think that was in Natter, though)