If the Craig criminal matter shows anything, you future closeted Senators, it's to get a lawyer immediately! They even provide one for you. Do not talk to the cops! Get a lawyer!
Weird love's better than no love.
Buffy ,'Dirty Girls'
Natter 53: We could just avoid making tortured puns
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
bon bon - Sep 06, 2007 11:50:42 am PDT #8869 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Daisy Jane - Sep 06, 2007 11:51:00 am PDT #8870 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."
I don't think whether he cruises for sex with men has anything to do with his fitness for office. I think that cruising for sex with men while voting for legislation that adversely affects other men who like to sleep with men does.
Had Clinton been legislating against blowjobs or making adultery criminal, then we'd be comparing apples to apples.
Jesse - Sep 06, 2007 11:52:44 am PDT #8871 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Do not talk to the cops! Get a lawyer!
I don't understand why everyone doesn't know that yet, really.
I am currently feeling work-related smugness. I had to submit something online today by 5pm. I got it in around 2:30. Then a little while later, I wanted to go back into the system to double-check something, and I haven't been able to log back in! Only error messages. I feel bad for the people who are frantically trying to submit, but still a little smug that I was early.
brenda m - Sep 06, 2007 11:56:26 am PDT #8872 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
I don't understand why everyone doesn't know that yet, really.
Seriously. Do these people not have tvs?
Jesse - Sep 06, 2007 11:57:57 am PDT #8873 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
This is what I'm saying!!
bon bon - Sep 06, 2007 11:58:41 am PDT #8874 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I don't think whether he cruises for sex with men has anything to do with his fitness for office. I think that cruising for sex with men while voting for legislation that adversely affects other men who like to sleep with men does.
The thing is, having a personal life at odds with your political position is not a firable/resignable offense-- it's a reason for voting against someone, or even shaming them and their party, but it shouldn't trigger an ethics or criminal investigation, hearings, or any of those other distractions.
This is a much bigger issue and I probably don't have the time to tackle all of it, but we don't move on from things like the Clinton ridiculousness by having witchhunts that are targeted at Republicans. We gotta stop doing that.
Had Clinton been legislating against blowjobs or making adultery criminal, then we'd be comparing apples to apples.
(Well, he did sign DOMA.) And Clinton did lie, and he did cheat, and he did make happy families while doing gross things. He's a hypocrite too, but a pretty good president. I don't think Bush did any of the former, but obviously can be a consistent, principled person with absolutely retarded principles.
Tom Scola - Sep 06, 2007 12:00:57 pm PDT #8875 of 10001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500
I guess that's one reason to vote for Fred Thompson; he'll know when to call a lawyer, because you know he's seen it on TV!
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2007 12:13:27 pm PDT #8876 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't care whether the Republicans are consistent.
I have a bug in my ear about consistency. By failing at that, you fail at life. Or should get pwned by the l33t l0g!( fairy.
having a personal life at odds with your political position is not a firable/resignable offense
I don't think it's fireable at all--which is why I said "shamed out." Even if you were the narrowminded Republican sort (and homophobic with said narrow mind)--he's a liability because he's one of them. If you're less narrowminded...well, the other guy would have to be pretty bad for me to vote for the hypocrite. It's not like he had an implied disconnect. There was a direct failure to reconcile issues.
he said was that he didn't do anything wrong, but he couldn't fight the charges because it would cause publicity. Which is more or less correct, really.
But incomplete--because pleading guilty doesn't prevent publicity, and puts it smack dab on his permanent record, as well as all over the interpipes. Just a bad move.
tommyrot - Sep 06, 2007 12:15:32 pm PDT #8877 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
But incomplete--because pleading guilty doesn't prevent publicity, and puts it smack dab on his permanent record, as well as all over the interpipes. Just a bad move.
I thought that he thought it would prevent publicity. (As opposed to a trial, which would have guaranteed publicity) And it almost worked - no one found out about it for a month or so....
eta: Sorta like being in the hole, gambling-wise, but instead of paying the debt he doubled-down, thinking he could beat the house.
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2007 12:18:49 pm PDT #8878 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I thought that he thought it would prevent publicity.
I think that's an incredibly naïve motivation for a high risk decision. Don't they have people who're supposed to think for you on these matters? I mean, maybe he's never heard of thesmokinggun.com, but someone on his staff should be taking care of that.
Not that I actually know how it broke. Just that breaking stuff like that is what many people seek to do as a hobby or a day job.
I also don't think that hiding it for a month is almost working. Delaying the inevitable, maybe.