So was Alistair trying to forcibly remove Castiel's grace? (And how cringe inducing is that term? Ugh. It seems like something out of sparkly vampire territory.) I thought maybe that was how we were getting our fallen tax accountant.

I think the seals breaking must be having effects. More power leaking out of hell or something. But if so, I would think the angels would be less surprised, so maybe there's something else going on.

I think the seals breaking must be having effects. More power leaking out of hell or something.

That, and/or the fact that Castiel is not quite as black and white obedient/dedicated as Uriel. He's admitted to doubt.

I have to rewatch. I'm pretty happy with show.

I just realized...this is a Dean guilt that is brand new to the Supernatural verse. That doesn't explain Dean's eyes bleeding in Bloody Mary at all. I wanted to know what he felt guilty for back then. I wonder if this means that we will never get that answer now.

I wanted to know what he felt guilty for back then. I wonder if this means that we will never get that answer now.

Me, too.

We're fifty-nine posts from the end here, folks. We started a new thread title discussion in B'Cracy.

Watching now.

Crying now.

::hugs Anne::

clings to Austin, bawls

Dang, but that was a good episode. The gut-wrenching started when Dean didn't correct Sam's assumption that Anna must be happy now, and it didn't let up until the end.

So, did Ruby really try to sell Anna out, or was the whole thing a setup she and Sam worked out in order to force a demon-angel confrontation? Either way, I find that I like Ruby the better for it. If she tried to sell Anna out to save her own hide, it reinforces the idea that while she's acting on the side of the good guys, she is not good. If it was a setup, that took some guts and determination on her part. Still, I imagine that as horrible as that torture was, it was nothing compared to what Lilith put her through in terms of intensity and time.

I totally bought that Ruby was working on her own in that moment. But it seemed clear to me later that it was Sam's plan.

I'm getting the feeling a lot of people were laughing at the first three-quarters of the episode (on LJ) -- specifically the Titanic hand, and the "Grace," which was a little hokey. But I liked it, even if the Titanic hand made me cringe a little bit. (It was so unnecessary! We get that it was going to be good! Dean was being all careful and focused and letting her explore!)

And the end ... the end was heartbreaking.