And also? Dean is not allowed to die. Again. He's just not, okay? And neither is Sam.

I don't necessarily want them to remake Butch and Sundance, but if such a thing comes up I think casting folk would be fools not to use them. Someone mentioned recently that Clooney and Pitt are the current Newman and Redford, and I suppose they are. But if so, then J&J are the next incarnation.

In any case, I would love to see either of them in a western, and both in the same western? Would be awesome.

And also? Dean is not allowed to die. Again. He's just not, okay? And neither is Sam.

Would you write them a note? Send it to Kripke.

Redford and Newman is exactly who they remind me of in their interaction/relationship. I don't think Clooney and Pitt quite achieved it, but I think the JJs could. I know that's why my mind went to B&S. They need a vehicle with the funny and the sad and their pretty as an after thought.

Bev, your description of the video is as beautiful as the video itself. You write about the brothers that I love. :)

Abby Deveraux! [link] That's where I've seen Tracy. Days of our Lives alum, meet Days of our Lives alum. It was okay for Dean to leer. Eric Brady wasn't related to Jack or Jennifer.

I've had a thought about the "test." One that I will regret in my early morning meeting, but right now seems so important. What if the test wasn't for Dean? What if the test was just as much to see if Uriel and Castiel could follow the orders? Uriel almost didn't. Or at least blustered like he had a choice. What if the angels were tested as much as Dean, if it was testing Dean at all.

eta: That would be even more of an impact of Castiel confessing his conflicted feelings. It's not like Castiel can lose his faith. He knows God. They hang out. But Castiel can question what Castiel is doing even if he will always follow orders. He made the point that even if they aren't understood, that God's orders would be just. He did say that with conviction. He can have self-doubt, not know if he is doing the right thing, but as long as he continues to follow God, he is not fallen, right? Where are our theologians?

Random comments after watching the episode:

SAM-HAIN?! SAM-HAIN, SOME SORT OF DEMON?! Dear Kripke, please stop trying to make my head explode.

The actor who played Don/the demon? Looks just like Frank Miller. Yes, comic writer/artist/craxyman Frank Miller. Which made the episode really funny in our household, let me tell you.

Of *course* Uriel is a dick. He's an archangel. The one, according to lore, who stood at the gates of Eden with the flaming sword. who watches over thunder and terror. Uriel is Not Nice. But if Lucifer does eventually manifest through Sam (which I think is what is going to happen), Uriel may regret being quite so antagonistic toward Sammy.

(oooh, my Dictionary of Angels also says that Uriel is the Angel of Repentance, who is graphically represented as being as pitiless as any demon. and holds the keys to the Pit during the End Times. If the SPN writers have done their research and don't go all handwave-y handwave-y on us, this could be all sorts of grim fun.)

I like Austin's idea about the angels being tested, in addition to Dean.

(But seriously. Sam-hain? Auuugh.)

I know, Jilli. I said.

Plus, every time this show has the word "witch" in the dialog now it makes me twitch.

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I literally squealed, "BUNNY!!!" when Uriel turned around, and I proceeded to miss what was going on for the next two minutes in my excitement. I hope he's recurring.

The whole "mud-monkey" thing was giving me Prophecy flashbacks.

Uriel is the Angel of Repentance, who is graphically represented as being as pitiless as any demon. and holds the keys to the Pit during the End Times.

Ah, now I know why the name Uriel was so familiar. I'd just assumed that I'd read a spoiler about him.

Turns out, a while back I came in here and posted almost that same quote (but from Wiki) about Uriel, and then realized that I'd wiki'd an angel from The Dresden Files u Small Favor instead of Castiel. But I'd been so excited about the "demon" comparison, and then felt like a dolt.

I would LOVE for JA and JP to do a Western about 10-15 years from now.

Yes! They just need to get a wee bit crinkly, first. And as Bev notes, it should be together (and also as Bev notes, neither Sam nor Dean should ever die again).

eta: That would be even more of an impact of Castiel confessing his conflicted feelings. It's not like Castiel can lose his faith. He knows God. They hang out. But Castiel can question what Castiel is doing even if he will always follow orders. He made the point that even if they aren't understood, that God's orders would be just. He did say that with conviction. He can have self-doubt, not know if he is doing the right thing, but as long as he continues to follow God, he is not fallen, right? Where are our theologians?

It's risky posting before writing the recap, because I haven't thought it all through and I don't want to give up everything I have thought through, but I think the above is quite likely, Austin. Tangentially, I'm hoping the exploration of prejudices (human > demon; demon > angel; angel > human; angel > demon) is intentional.

SAM-HAIN?! SAM-HAIN, SOME SORT OF DEMON?! Dear Kripke, please stop trying to make my head explode.

They way they pronounced "Sam Hain" bothered me more than them personifying Samhain. The boys deal in legend. They get wind of a case, look at all the lore surrounding the possible causes, and sometimes what they find to be the truth (in the show) differs from popular lore and understanding. For example, take Catiel possessing a human, and Ruby having once been a human, but turning into a demon while in hell. That's not the traditional understanding of angels and fallen angels (demons). Kripke's a gleaner.

Besides, it's not uncommon for different deities to be associated with a festival, so I think he had some room to play. I think they could have made Sam Hain More Samhain-ish, though -- tying him to fire, or to apples or nuts, or whatever, but at least he raised the dead, and they tied in the reason for costumes/masks.

As soon as I read that they were doing a Halloween episode and that they were characterizing Samhain as a demon - I KNEW that there would be bad reactions. I'm just very happy that the mytharc stuff was so good that it counters the bad, you know?