Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

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Ailleann - Oct 02, 2008 5:00:59 pm PDT #8349 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I had forgotten that Sam knew about the blood thing! But he doesn't know about the former hunter thing.

I'm a wee tiny eetsy bit cranked about Dean once again being responsible for stopping Sam from going darkside, but I will forgive if they actually resolve it soon, instead of dragging it along. We've done this in S2, people. Move it along!

(Maybe I am too cranky? But that's my first thought!)


Beverly - Oct 02, 2008 5:03:11 pm PDT #8350 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

No, I agree with you. It seems like Sam's destiny is to go darkside. And it's Dean's destiny to stop him. And yes, we've seen it before, but it wasn't actually resolved.

Which it may not be unless and until one of them dies.


tiggy - Oct 02, 2008 5:03:11 pm PDT #8351 of 10002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Ruby also told him that YED had gone around killing Mary's former friends.


Amy - Oct 02, 2008 5:09:29 pm PDT #8352 of 10002
Because books.

this episode is totally a fandom wet dream.

This, exactly. I think I'm dead of flail.

Pinto! And DEAN driving it! Mitch Pileggi! Giving crazy good evil! Mary is a kickass hunter!!!!!! Dean is named after his grandMOTHER!

::flails times a billionty::

JA delivered some really pitch-perfect acting in this episode. The wobbly voice and the full eyes when asking Mary not to get out of bed that night almost did me in.

I can see the point about having Dean responsible from keeping Sam from going darkside AGAIN, but if you take what Castiel said about destiny as truth, then they're going to keep going down that road, as Bev said, until one of them succeeds, or one of them dies, or both.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2008 5:34:27 pm PDT #8353 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

This episode also may explain some of the reason why Castiel was sent to rescue Dean apart from his relationship to Sam. If those events already played out in the past as we saw tonight, then someone had to remove Dean from Hell and take him back in time to make everything turn out as it did.


SailAweigh - Oct 02, 2008 5:51:34 pm PDT #8354 of 10002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Seems to me that if Dean couldn't change it, then his presence there had no effect on the occurance, either. It would have happened one way or another. He was, said and done, merely an observer.


Theresa - Oct 02, 2008 6:45:38 pm PDT #8355 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Watched the debate, and started Supernatural. Haven't read any comments yet so marking this and between #8312.

First thing I notice is Jaybird's diner. ugh. We could have used Jayhawk and KU would not have sued. Next Bert's Barber. Don't remember that on Mass St. , but I was a kid in this time frame, so sure I will give that to Kripke.

Maybe Bert's was next to the music store where the hippie wearing a flower in her hair wrote a song for me. She was high and I was one of "all the wonderful hippie children of the world." Okay, maybe having a Bert's Barber is Capra-esque and better story telling than the way I actually remember it.

The Lawrence Herald? It's the Lawrence Journal-World. Fuck, the fourth wall is going to totally ruin this episode for me, isn't it? I need to pretend this is science or medicine on television and just go all hand wavy. He didn't say they were in Lawrence...he said they were in Blawrence. ::waves hands:: It works!

I have thought that Kripke was missing out on something by not making something up about "Beware of the Phog" in Phog Allen Field House, but at this point, I'm willing for him to stay out of Lawrence. ::puts away tinfoil hat and rewinds to watch Castiel again:: He really can read the phone book to me if he is going to do line deliveries like that.


Theresa - Oct 02, 2008 7:01:07 pm PDT #8356 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Okay, I lied. First thing I thought was "oh John, oh Mary" during the THEN previouslies. Then I thought Dean needs to kick Sammy's ass and soon. Then I went all irrational and started on my Lawrence tirade. I blame the debate for getting me riled.

I'm better now. Hugs Boys, Hugs John, Hugs Castiel. ::gropes Castiel::


Beverly - Oct 02, 2008 7:42:17 pm PDT #8357 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

The downtown location was the same one from Simon Said--the grey stone pillars, although the camera didn't pan up to the clock at the top this time. The nighttime bridge location (as I mentioned upthread amidst some unfolding story squee, so it was less noteworthy) was the one from Hookman.

I'm sure the X-Files filmed in each of those locations, probably more than once. But my eye does that thing, whether for actors or landmarks.


Lee - Oct 02, 2008 8:07:41 pm PDT #8358 of 10002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Seems to me that if Dean couldn't change it, then his presence there had no effect on the occurance, either. It would have happened one way or another. He was, said and done, merely an observer.

But if Dean didn't tell them about the second woman meeting up with YED, Mary and her father wouldn't have gone out there, so Mary and YED may not have met, so in a way, Dean is responsible.