That's where I'm really fascinated right now, Anne -- the idea of Dean letting himself be cared for. Which hasn't really happened before. He's the ultimate caretaker.
Buffy! If I wanted to fight, you could tell by the being dead already.
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Amy - Aug 05, 2007 5:08:19 pm PDT #811 of 10002
Because books.
Anne W. - Aug 05, 2007 5:29:16 pm PDT #812 of 10002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
That's where I'm really fascinated right now, Anne -- the idea of Dean letting himself be cared for. Which hasn't really happened before. He's the ultimate caretaker.
I really, really hope S3 delves into this. Dean has a looming expiration date and is very much wanted by the law, and Sam has more or less said that things between them are going to have to change with regard to who is looking after whom. That should mean some tricky and uncomfortable moments as Dean learns to accept Sam's new role.
P.M. Marc - Aug 05, 2007 7:56:03 pm PDT #813 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Yeah, I expect some uncomfortable stuff. And make with the WOO! noises.
Because Sam getting cranky at Dean for good reason will never not be awesome.
I guess I don't make the jump from Dean not choosing such a life as his fantasy to not being able to conceptualize it. I think it's more a case of him not being interested in some froofy white collar picket fence life that he's only seen from afar. He was doing something he enjoyed and was good at.
I don't see his vision of himself as all that positive, in the construct world, I guess. I mean, hell, he couldn't really conceptualize himself with ANY kind of day job (thus the fill in the blank conversation with Mary, where his brain was reminding himself that, oh yeah, people have jobs).
The sad thing to me was that he couldn't imagine Sam being respectful of or happy for him without the commonality of monster hunting.
Also, let's not forget that he saw himself as kind of unsavory: stealing money and women from Sam; drinking too much; only able to be with someone like Cameron because she had low standards; forgetting his mother's birthday. So the lack of respect/happiness went far beyond just the education/class differences, which I kind of think we're forgetting a little in the focus on the education/employment aspect.
Cass - Aug 05, 2007 8:31:34 pm PDT #814 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
The sad thing to me was that he couldn't imagine Sam being respectful of or happy for him without the commonality of monster hunting.That just killed me. I can't imagine them not being *brothers*, you know? It's unreal that they would not be close and mean everything to each other...
I really, really hope S3 delves into this. Dean has a looming expiration date and is very much wanted by the law, and Sam has more or less said that things between them are going to have to change with regard to who is looking after whom. That should mean some tricky and uncomfortable moments as Dean learns to accept Sam's new role.Yes. God, so looking forward to this. Although, as I told Plei, I almost don't want to think about it because I am just overwhelmed by the idea of what the next year brings to Winchesters. It's just got to change so much and, yet, I don't know how much can really change.
Theresa - Aug 05, 2007 9:08:19 pm PDT #815 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
I don't see his vision of himself as all that positive, in the construct world, I guess.
I don't either. I saw it as spelling out to the audience exactly how low the self esteem of Dean Winchester can go. The boy is so very very broken.
only able to be with someone like Cameron because she had low standards
I agree and this part of it still doesn't make sense to me. Carmen was the perfect girlfriend. Smart, kind, funny and loving toward his family. I took the 'low standards' remark as an off hand tease between a very comfortable couple in love. She didn't say it spiteful or like she meant it. She didn't even nag him about the night before. If he was making as many poor decisions as seemed to be the case in the construct world (the stealing, the prom date, the drinking), then really how did he end up with her? Does this mean that his subconscious accepts that part of him might be loveable?
Dean has a looming expiration dateOuch. This is painful to me and the season hasn't even started yet. I can't remember the last time I was sensing the angst while a show was on hiatus. Two months, that's all I have to wait.
Beverly - Aug 05, 2007 9:30:16 pm PDT #816 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
After The Gift. She saved the world.
A lot.
It's the last occasion I remember being this anxious and trepidatious at the same time.
Theresa - Aug 05, 2007 9:37:12 pm PDT #817 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
Exactly.
::sniffle:: Now my allergies are acting up.
Cass - Aug 05, 2007 10:42:26 pm PDT #818 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
A lot.Damn you, Bev.
tiggy - Aug 06, 2007 2:34:25 am PDT #819 of 10002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
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Ailleann - Aug 06, 2007 4:31:06 am PDT #820 of 10002
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The boy is so very very broken.
This, I think, bears repeating.
A lot.
Bev, damn it, STOP THAT.