Xander: Hey, Red. What you got in the basket, little girl? Buffy: Weapons.

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Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


SuziQ - May 16, 2008 7:10:18 pm PDT #7463 of 10002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

For a really twisted demon who wanted a kick out of playing in a kid's body, that might be amusing for a day or two, but for an "adult" demon? Probably not so much.

This was my thought until she inhabited Ruby, then her behavior was much more on the "adult" demon side. Made my head spin.


Consuela - May 16, 2008 7:13:40 pm PDT #7464 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

My sister tells a story of reading "Goodnight Moon" to her daughter, and just doing it again so long as her daughter still wanted to hear it: they got to 18 before my sister gave up.

I was very worried Lilith was going to ask for "Goodnight Moon".


Amy - May 16, 2008 7:13:52 pm PDT #7465 of 10002
Because books.

I thought so, too, Suzi! At first it was still very childlike, and then with Sam she got a bit more grown up. But then when she opened the door for the hellhounds, it was back to childlike again.

I think it may have been the delivery and the simple fact of an adult speaking the lines, though -- I want to go back and listen to the actual dialogue.


Amy - May 16, 2008 7:14:50 pm PDT #7466 of 10002
Because books.

"Goodnight stars, goodnight air. Goodnight noises everywhere."

God, I used to be able to recite that in my sleep. As well as most of the Boynton oeuvre.


SuziQ - May 16, 2008 7:33:51 pm PDT #7467 of 10002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

the simple fact of an adult speaking the lines,

Even without the words, her kissing Sam was much more than a childish peck. Ok, it wasn't crossroads demon tonsil hockey, but still, not something I'd picture a child that age doing.


beth b - May 16, 2008 7:59:43 pm PDT #7468 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I guess I am assume that even though she is a child/demon -- she hasn't stopped learning about the world. so it didn't seem overly adult. She looked like someone that was imitating what adults did -- esp. the surprised "your lips are soft" line.

and I liked the picture of hell we got . Helpless, pain, alone, screaming for your loved ones. makes more sense then meeting your friends in hell.


Juliebird - May 17, 2008 2:55:21 am PDT #7469 of 10002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

She looked like someone that was imitating what adults did -- esp. the surprised "your lips are soft" line.

My read as well. A little girl who never actually got to do those big girl things but always wanted to, and now she's doing things she read in a book or saw in a film. I can buy that until now, she's never possessed an adult body, at least not one like Ruby's. A body that would fulfill those hellfire-consumed desires to be a big girl with tits and lip gloss.


Ailleann - May 17, 2008 4:06:33 am PDT #7470 of 10002
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crossroads demon tonsil hockey

Bears repeating, because it makes me giggle.

I tried to skim the Wikipedia entry on Lillith (hey, if Show can research there, I can too), and though it reads a bit like stereo instructions, I didn't really see anything that referenced a childlike demeanor. (Though she is mentioned in conjunction with a character called Samael, which caught my eye.)


SuziQ - May 17, 2008 4:54:56 am PDT #7471 of 10002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

A little girl who never actually got to do those big girl things but always wanted to

I guess I can see that. Will need to rewarch (oh darn).


Juliebird - May 17, 2008 5:31:09 am PDT #7472 of 10002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I tried to skim the Wikipedia entry on Lillith . . . I didn't really see anything that referenced a childlike demeanor.

I can't say that I'm seeing anything in common between Supernatural's Lilith and the Adam's first wife/demon who steals/kills baby boys (and all the other stuff that she is associated with!).

If she is the first wife, and demons are born of humans who had their humanity burnt away in hell, that would make Lilith the first and oldest demon, which doesn't seem to coincide with her right to the "throne" being on shaky ground.

Then I had another thought that maybe Adam, Lilith and Eve weren't made fully grown like I'd always pictured in my head, but made as children, and when Lilith refused Adam, they were only 12 or 14 at the time. But so far I'm not getting that this is where the show is going with her. Right now the name seems almost coincidental.

ETA My minds going in weird directions right now that probably have nothing to do with the show, but my speculating that Lilith was the first demon made me think that maybe she outlived Adam and Eve's two son's. You know, Cain and Abel. The brothers. Maybe the first demon born was Cain, whenever he eventually dies (of old age or disease since the mark God put on him protected him from being murdered). There's some elusive connection there my brain made between the first fratricide, and Sam and Dean being the opposite of Cain and Abel... I need more coffee...