It's just an object. It doesn't mean what you think.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Ailleann - Feb 15, 2008 8:23:43 am PST #6191 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

Is there more racial issue in the original AoP13, or am I just not remembering enough about the remake (which is the only version I've seen)?


Amy - Feb 15, 2008 8:33:00 am PST #6192 of 10002
Because books.

If you borrow from a genre that has racist overtones, it kind of behooves you to rework what you're borrowing, so as not to continue transmitting the racist overtones. Right?

Oh, I get that. But what I'm taking from your earlier post is that in the original, the precinct was attack by non-whites. (I haven't seen either version.) And I didn't see evidence of that in the preview, so.

I just don't like to go into anything *waiting* to see how any particular issue is dealt with. That's not how or why I watch TV. But that's just me.


Nutty - Feb 15, 2008 8:42:58 am PST #6193 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Is there more racial issue in the original AoP13, or am I just not remembering enough about the remake (which is the only version I've seen)?

Oh, it's been a long time since I've seen it, but I think it was part of that 70s-80s development of the equation of urban = poor = black = scary. (In some ways, Escape from New York works in a similar landscape.) Ironically, the oldest film-text of this kind that I can think of is Zulu Dawn, which is not urban or even American. (It's based on a real historical event, which, if you get into "historical" mythology about entrenched whites resisting the Roaming Unwhite Menace, there's tons and tons of material! Which I'm sure has been made into movies since movies were made.)

Suddenly I am remembering that the first Night of the Living Dead movie made one of its heroes black, as an explicit reversal of the prevailing stereotypes at the time. So even zombies can, under the right circumstances, be about race!


Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 15, 2008 8:47:40 am PST #6194 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Of course, if the race issue at hand is demons vs. humans, the show has pretty well established that all of the former (except maybe Ruby, sometimes) are villains by disposition as well as circumstance.


Polter-Cow - Feb 15, 2008 8:57:48 am PST #6195 of 10002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Suddenly I am remembering that the first Night of the Living Dead movie made one of its heroes black, as an explicit reversal of the prevailing stereotypes at the time.

I also read that it wasn't on purpose. (That is, he just cast the guy because he was the best actor for the part.) Of course, it completely changes the way the ending comes off, so who knows how true that story is.


sumi - Feb 15, 2008 9:00:49 am PST #6196 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Director's Cuts for next week. I cannot vouch on spoileriness because I am at home on dial-up and they will not come up for me.


sumi - Feb 15, 2008 9:02:38 am PST #6197 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Umm, there is at least one casting spoiler in those cuts (according to comments over at tWOP.)


Theresa - Feb 15, 2008 9:22:11 am PST #6198 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I just don't like to go into anything *waiting* to see how any particular issue is dealt with. That's not how or why I watch TV. But that's just me.

Me too.

I missed any nefarious plans of the writers based on the previews of next week. I saw a building being over run by zombie/demons, Sam drawing a circle on the floor, Dean making a "let's fight them" declaration, and my mind went to Buffy's Series Finale at the high school.

Of course, if the race issue at hand is demons vs. humans, the show has pretty well established that all of the former (except maybe Ruby, sometimes) are villains by disposition as well as circumstance.

I think that is how it started out Matt, but one of the things that I like about SPN, like AtS, is how it blurs shades of grey. Dean tried to keep Sam from killing the demon that kidnapped him because she wasn't a villain. Lenore (if vamps are demons) and her gang were all trying not to be villians. The Reaper demon in IMToD wasn't evil, she was just doing her job and actually was being kind trying to help Dean on his way. Dean had to wrestle with realizing he had been taught to hate all demons and what he had been taught wasn't true. I don't know if the show will remember what it started, but I think the seeds were there.


tiggy - Feb 15, 2008 9:57:56 am PST #6199 of 10002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

those Director's Cuts have me so fucking excited for next week, i don't know what to do with myself. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!


sumi - Feb 15, 2008 12:33:54 pm PST #6200 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Damn. I wish I could see them!

(I'm going to go hang with a friend who has dsl so I should be able to see them over the weekend.)