No, Lucifer is Satan (the Adversary.)
Or that's how I understand it - he was the leader of the rebel angels of which Azazel was one.
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sumi - Oct 29, 2007 5:56:07 am PDT #3906 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!
Ailleann - Oct 29, 2007 6:12:20 am PDT #3907 of 10002
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Lucifer's come to be associated with Satan, though it could be argued that they don't have to be the same entity.
The word "Satan" is merely a term for "adversary" or "enemy". I think the idea of Satan is one of those things that's been spun up and added to over the course of Christian history. They're linked today, but the only thing Lucifer did wrong was rebel against God. (Which is, you know, still bad.)
One could argue that Lucifer and his Fallen are those who suffer the most, as their eternal punishment is being cast out of Heaven.
Amy - Oct 29, 2007 6:16:09 am PDT #3908 of 10002
Because books.
Ah. Thanks, babe. I was trying to remember what Juliebird's link said.
Also? Niiiiice tag line!
Ailleann - Oct 29, 2007 6:19:32 am PDT #3909 of 10002
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Hee. I'm a dork.
I'm also really enamored by the idea that they're bringing Lucifer into all of this. (I may have, you know, already gone on at length about it, so, y'know...) I just find Lucifer appealing.
Um.
Amy - Oct 29, 2007 6:24:08 am PDT #3910 of 10002
Because books.
I could see Ruby maybe being Lucifer. I could see that being ... really hot, actually.
Um.
We should have an Um Corner. Like Pooh Corner, but with more shame and inappropriate sex fantasies.
Ailleann - Oct 29, 2007 10:47:08 am PDT #3911 of 10002
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Can there still be honey?
Amy - Oct 29, 2007 12:14:51 pm PDT #3912 of 10002
Because books.
I'd imagine there would have to be.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 29, 2007 12:20:41 pm PDT #3913 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I didn't read Ruby's fallen angel comment as a literal confession of being such, so much as a witticism. In fact, I don't recall any evidence that even Azazel was ever an actual fallen angel—that could easily be a myth about an absent/imaginary Lucifer that the demons developed as their religion and spread to humanity over the years.
Ailleann - Oct 29, 2007 12:24:23 pm PDT #3914 of 10002
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I didn't read Ruby's fallen angel comment as a literal confession of being such, so much as a witticism.
This is what I think the show is going for. Though the idea that she could be Lucifer, grooming Sam to take over as the Antichrist is... kinda delicious. Too much for Show, maybe, but...
In fact, I don't recall any evidence that even Azazel was ever an actual fallen angel
The Azazel in the show, or Azazel the angel/demon/whatever from mythology?
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 29, 2007 12:30:02 pm PDT #3915 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
From the show. I realize in Christian demonology all demons are regarded as fallen angels, and Azazel is one of the big name ones. But in the show we know some demons have been spawned by other demons, and their ultimate origins seem to be a matter of faith rather than historical record or personal remembrance. I guess with old Yellow Eyes destroyed, we don't have any real authorities to clear up the mystery.