I think Dean gets as much as he wants, really. I mean, look at him.

That said, I'm also pretty sure that, absent extreme circumstances, he's been really careful about not leaving little Winchesters around the country. I am damn sure John had that talk with him. Multiple times, just to be sure. Plus there were probably a few scares.

I'm generally of the opinion that Dean gets laid more often than a lot of guys (because, come on, would *you* say no?) but Dean is also a survivalist. He would use a condom, not only to prevent Dean Juniors, but to prevent an inconvenient case of crabs or the clap.

That said, you're right, Juliebird -- condoms aren't 100 percent effective, and they break, or rip almost unnoticeably. In my fanon, there's at least one girl out there who has fond memories of a certain smirk, big green eyes, an illegal mouth, and decided to keep her unexpected baby.

But seriously, how has Dean not left a wake of babies behind him, ripe for some vengeful demon *coughMegcough* to mess with out of spite? That .99% window starts adding up.

I don't know that they would ever explore this, but my thought was that because Dean had been older brother/substitute father (Nightmare) for Sam, he has an exagerated sense of responsibility. I don't want to go into detail, but I can definitely buy into Dean being really, really, really careful.

condoms aren't 100 percent effective, and they break, or rip almost unnoticeably.

Yep, I bet he doesn't rely only on a condom.

Maybe that's the secret of the amulet. :snerk:

maybe his first from his sporadic highschool days

I'm thinking this is a likely scenario.

How old is Dean now? Tweny-eight in the third season? Dean, in his mid teens, if left for days alone with access to college age girls. Think Tim Riggins from FNL. That would have been maybe too early for Dean to be as careful as he needed to be.

Now that I think about it, the way the Riggins brothers lived may be a good model of how Sam was able to go to high school.

That would have been maybe too early for Dean to be as careful as he needed to be.

that's what I was thinking, and why I specifically mentioned that time in his life. Young, "I will live forever!", indestructible, "it'll never happen to me". He grew up fast, had lots of responsibility since he was, what, four? but I think hormones could get in a way of that, and be a totally different kind of responsibility. Different from knowing how to protect baby Sam, use a gun, cook spaghettios and not set the place on fire. That was day in, day out, waking and sleeping. But girls? Whole new ballgame. And maybe John was so obsessed with hunting that he didn't think to have The Conversation with Dean until he realized that his oldest had already started fooling around.

that's what I was thinking, and why I specifically mentioned that time in his life.

Yeah, there might be a 10, 11, 12 year old Dean out there.

but I think hormones could get in a way of that

I agree. I wasn't factoring those wonderful things into the equation at first.

and maybe the Winchester's skipped town before Peggy Sue realized she'd been knocked up, and before Daddy came after Dean with a shotgun (which, good thing, right? "My daddy can outshoot your daddy!")

Ha.

Definitely. If they had known, I can't see John or Dean walking away.

Ooooh, maybe down the road Dean can find out that John did know, but let him leave anyway, thinking the kid was better off. There could be some angst for you. Although, I don't know if John would really do that.

::bounces:: But you know it would be even better pain? If Sam knew also (I don't know how he found out) and never told Dean.

Now I can't remember. Have we had an episode where Dean suspected a kid was his because of the way the kid acted ? Nevermind. I just remembered. I was thinking of the Dead in the Water kid when Dean had him say "Zeppelin Rules!"

Snarky, younger-brother-protecting Michael was pretty obviously Dean-esque in Something Wicked, too.

Consuela, if you would take up the banner for nilchance, I'd read it, and trumpet your praises far and wide. I'm frustrated by there not being more there, too.

I think I'm going to re-read Gimme Shelter and Paint it Black, follow it up with Cartography in Empty Spaces and Edge of the Known World and go to bed.

Point: is it okay to put links to SPN fic in the SPN thread? Or should I confine them to the fic rec thread, even if they're to older stories?