Jayne: That's a good idea. Good idea. Tell us where the stuff's at so I can shoot you. Mal: Point of interest? Offering to shoot us might not work so well as an incentive as you might imagine.

'Out Of Gas'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

Stompy Emerita: ita, DXMachina


DavidS - Dec 09, 2020 8:12:00 am PST #6489 of 6786
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Do you mean this?

It's actually the stuff that relates to step 1. The "how-to" address complaints in-thread.


Laura - Dec 09, 2020 8:13:50 am PST #6490 of 6786
Our wings are not tired.

Laura, sj did not object to you calling Trump a baby. She objected to the phrase "Diaper Don"

An expression I have never used. If I had I would have apologized, as Katie did when it was pointed out. All I said was that I thought the floats and so forth were depicting him as a baby because of his behavior. Assuming all people using the expression interpreted it the same as me was flawed. I didn't suggest that it was a phrase I intended to use, just that I didn't know that some people used it in that manner. I almost never go to Twitter, and the more I know the less I expect to go there. I don't need any more rage. I still expect most people consider the baby depictions to be referring to his behavior, but then again I tend to think the best of people.

I'm sorry I deleted the posts. It was an attempt to defuse. It didn't work.


Glamcookie - Dec 09, 2020 8:15:27 am PST #6491 of 6786
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

David, my comments aren't a response to any one comment.


sj - Dec 09, 2020 8:22:23 am PST #6492 of 6786
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Laura, sj did not object to you calling Trump a baby. She objected to the phrase "Diaper Don" noting that some disabled people needed to use adult diapers to function in the world, and it shouldn't be used as a short-hand for infantilization.

To be fair, I also did object to what I felt was dismissiveness on Laura's part at the time the conversation happened.

And I did not feel that KB's apology was an actual apology.


Laura - Dec 09, 2020 8:26:28 am PST #6493 of 6786
Our wings are not tired.

I apologize if my comments felt dismissive. That was certainly not my intent, as I would never dismiss your feelings and never want you to feel hurt. I was trying to return the thread to being lighthearted and failed quite spectacularly.


Glamcookie - Dec 09, 2020 8:31:20 am PST #6494 of 6786
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Honestly, the refusal to admit you might have accidentally said something harmful is far worse than having accidentally said something harmful in the first place. Laura, why do you think your feelings are more valid than sj's lived experience? I can tell you that it's worse to face micro and macro aggressions multiple times daily than to be called out for mistakenly participating in one. You did not use the offensive term, but your post minimized sj's words and contributed to the idea that it was an okay term to use in the first place. A mistake - a micro-aggression. Doubling down? That's a macro. Making mistakes is not a problem. It's how you handle being told you made a mistake that defines who you are. Why is it more important for you to be right than for sj to be heard and her experience validated?


Laura - Dec 09, 2020 8:50:03 am PST #6495 of 6786
Our wings are not tired.

I never said, or thought, that sj's lived experiences were less valid than my feelings. I had the audacity to suggest that both were valid. I'm sorry, but I have to leave so don't bother to continue to double down on the attacks, because I won't be reading them.


Glamcookie - Dec 09, 2020 8:55:40 am PST #6496 of 6786
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

There has been no attack. Just clear communication.


DavidS - Dec 09, 2020 9:12:33 am PST #6497 of 6786
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

An expression I have never used.

I apologize for mis-remembering it then. Which is part of the problem with deleting comments.


Jesse - Dec 09, 2020 9:33:12 am PST #6498 of 6786
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I really don't see anyone attacking you, Laura. And I don't think you've apologized, just defended yourself, which is a shame, because I know you didn't intend any harm.