I really don't understand how your posts could cause further harm. I don't get that at all.

I don't expect we'll be taking this to a public kerfuffle.

But know we've gone and gutted a huge chunk of our processing about the Gus fiasco so that the whole thread is incomprehensible. It literally makes no sense now. That's a community loss, and I really don't see what that's preventing or helping.

the whole thread is incomprehensible. It literally makes no sense now.

I didn't go read it, but -- really? Cindy wasn't the only person who thought Gus was faking his death (along with his life). I remember that, along with Cindy, I was suspicious of Gus's pseudicide right off the bat, as were you. Do our posts seem like we're crazy now, without Cindy's alongside them, or do they still give some sense of how we were all trying to work things out?

I am kinda shocked this has taken up so much energy and space here....again.

I do not want anything official and I really wouldn't want any individual poster to go out and do anything that would draw attention for potential trolling, mass influx, or giant kerfuffling.

We are such a nice oasis and that shit over there should stay over there as far as I am concerned.

FAQ the shit out of it and then we can point people there, to one place with it all explained - sad that thread quoting now might not make a ton of sense for you know showing what actually happened, but shit happens.

I didn't go read it, but -- really? Cindy wasn't the only person who thought Gus was faking his death (along with his life). I remember that, along with Cindy, I was suspicious of Gus's pseudicide right off the bat, as were you. Do our posts seem like we're crazy now, without Cindy's alongside them, or do they still give some sense of how we were all trying to work things out?

I just did a threadsuck (which is how I saw that the posts were deleted) and, yes, without Cindy's posts, the first big chunk of that conversation is basically gibberish. (We don't look crazy, but it's obvious we're talking about information that's been removed.) I'm frankly speechless.

It's roughly 7400-8000 in Bureaucracy 3, if anyone else wants to look back.

I'm going to sleep on this for a couple of days, but I may propose that we have a time limit on editing/deleting posts. (Not 2 minutes like I've seen on some forums, more like 6 months.) I don't want to do it now while I'm still angry, I want to sit and have time to cool off.

I am kinda shocked this has taken up so much energy and space here....again.

I do not want anything official and I really wouldn't want any individual poster to go out and do anything that would draw attention for potential trolling, mass influx, or giant kerfuffling.

We are such a nice oasis and that shit over there should stay over there as far as I am concerned.

I am msbelle in this. dons nice cap

I haven't re-read the posts in a really long time and most likely never would again. It is an unpleasantness that I would prefer to never think about it again.

I haven't been to the other site, but would certainly understand if people that are active there would want to sound a warning bell if they see something amiss. It wouldn't sit well here if a stranger came and started talking stuff about one of our users.

That said, I really don't know enough about it all to have a valid opinion and don't want to upset myself by looking into it further.

I'm pretty stunned at the deletion, but I'm not gonna lie. I did a pre-emptive threadsuck as soon as the topic was broached. And I figure I'm not the only one.

It's just--I was there, you know? It happened. Those words went out on the internet, and I felt a bit like the external storage of my memory was threatened. I wanted the documentation of my experiences, of everyone's experiences, not to be so fragile.

I would absolutely support that idea, Jessica, but I am hesitant to ask for something that would involve coding since I have no useful skills to offer in that area.

I did a pre-emptive threadsuck as soon as the topic was broached.

I'm glad to know someone did. Yeah, they were Cindy's posts, but it's our collective history.

I thread sucked too, with the idea that if/when this ever sorts itself out, I could restore the posts. That's why I chose to edit, rather than delete. I'm not sure if that helps or not, so I will to leave you all to decide what you think is best, without having to listen to me.

I ask that my name not be included in any of it, please.

I don't think there's anything to sort out, honestly.

The most that will come of it, based on the BSC factor and self-protection generally outweighing a desire to have our side known, is going to be an FAQ entry.

Someone asked permission instead of forgiveness, a discussion happened, and it's all sort of dying down. No one is out with pitchforks, at least other than mental pitchforks.

I've deleted my old posts, which I know is contemptible. It just seemed less contemptible than having an upsetting, potentially hurtful fight with you lovely people. I know some of you probably downloaded the thread, but even if you didn't, you can still put the story together, if you believe it will serve the greater good.

It feels like when someone seeks an annulment instead of a divorce when there are kids involved. You want to pretend like it didn't happen. But it did. And that's untruthful.

We just had a significant chunk of this incident that actually happened erased.

I'm going to sleep on this for a couple of days, but I may propose that we have a time limit on editing/deleting posts. (Not 2 minutes like I've seen on some forums, more like 6 months.) I don't want to do it now while I'm still angry, I want to sit and have time to cool off.

I certainly would say to take a few days but I might really support this. Especially since Bureau is our public record.

I'm not sure if that helps or not

Actually that doesn't. It's playing god with our history. You'll restore them if you think we're finally playing nicely and feel contrite enough for failing to all deal with this the way you want? I'd prefer a flat delete. Be done with it. The record still exists. It still happened.

This is actually the first time I have felt angry at your current actions, Cindy. I didn't agree with you taking your words down so many years after the fact but I felt you thought you were doing what was right for you. Now you seem to imply you are doing what is right for us and that's not your call.

No one is out with pitchforks, at least other than mental pitchforks.

And those never work. I've tried.

No, I don't think there's anything to sort out now.