Gwen: Demon, OK? The whole nine—cloven feet and horns and teeth. He wasn't wearing lamé though. Lorne: Yeah, the evil ones can't pull it off. It gets camp.

'Harm's Way'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

Stompy Emerita: ita, DXMachina


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2012 5:35:34 pm PDT #5299 of 6786
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

(Though, honestly, the pain in the ass off turning off registrations for programming makes me lean on the side of, eh, fuck it.)

(But, err, that piece hits too close to work.)


Topic!Cindy - Jun 29, 2012 5:44:14 pm PDT #5300 of 6786
What is even happening?

It is our story, Allyson. If this were a convo about whether or not we should document it in our FAQ, I would feel differently. But there was no gang of 16 or 14 documenting this. There was no Margot. There was me, with a side of Teppy, Cashmere, and Hec, and mere notes of the community going, "Okay, I see your point, but you suck for not letting us grieve longer." I don't want my research used to take down the admittedly big faker, Guy Straley. It's not why I did it. I did it to save the Buffistas grocery money and grief. Period.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2012 5:48:52 pm PDT #5301 of 6786
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It could be a convo about documenting it in the FAQ. It probably SHOULD be in the FAQ. What I think is clear is that there's unresolved feelings, and we should resolve 'em as best possible. Without drawing drama. So, y'know. FAQ it.


Allyson - Jun 29, 2012 5:54:13 pm PDT #5302 of 6786
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I guess I just don't think anyone needs your permission to talk about what happened, anywhere they would like to. Is that what you're saying? I mean, I certainly didn't check with Margot before writing the Penlind story.

I get the issue for the board if someone were to out him and have to deal with an influx of crazy people, and wanting to protect the board residents from that kind of hassle.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 29, 2012 6:02:34 pm PDT #5303 of 6786
What is even happening?

You are right. No one needs my permission. That said, I don't need permission to delete my contributIon to the discussion, either.


Allyson - Jun 29, 2012 6:19:31 pm PDT #5304 of 6786
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Do what you gotta do.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 29, 2012 6:29:50 pm PDT #5305 of 6786
What is even happening?

I will and am.


Aims - Jun 29, 2012 6:34:41 pm PDT #5306 of 6786
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Here's the (my) thing:

We *never* got any answers because we never asked any questions. There was, "He isn't real." and then there was infighting among our members, there were hurt feelings and feelings of abject betrayal. There was no closure.

Even with Caroma, there was at least an effort put forth to get her into the conversation about her behavior on the board before ultimately banning her. There was some sense of closure there.

I feel like the affections of the people on this board were used. I feel as though the way that the events surrounding Gus' "death" affected how we, as a board, interracted with each other. There was, it seemed to me, to be less trust and more questioning of posters intent of being here if they were newcomers.

For some, it seems to me, the wound is still open because it never actually closed. Maybe calling him out publically and getting some answers to "Why?" and "What was the purpose?" might help in the healing process or the getting over it process.

THAT is why I think that sharing the story with The Mary Sue might be helpful in possibly getting some answers.


Consuela - Jun 29, 2012 6:40:47 pm PDT #5307 of 6786
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I will and am.

Cindy, I really wish you wouldn't. Please don't. It's a little unfair to come in and make some really compelling arguments, and then when ita or Allyson challenges it, you delete it.

Nobody's saying you can't own your words, but they're good words and they are valuable, and you deleting them makes it seem like you yourself don't value them, and I know that's not true.


Allyson - Jun 29, 2012 6:43:34 pm PDT #5308 of 6786
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

You're likely to never get any answers, though. I'm all for someone writing about it and putting it out in the world, because it's interesting. WEREMONKEY!

But if the point of the story is anything other than "so the dude who runs TV Tropes has Munchausen's by Internet, and isn't that fucking weird?" I just don't think there will be much satisfaction.

All Cindy basically did was investigate Gus' posts. Those posts still exist, so it's not like anyone can't go back in and challenge the same things.