Cordelia: I get it now. You're all spies. Probably all Russian. And you've brainwashed me, and want me to believe we're friends so I'll spill the beans about some nano-technology thingy that you want. Gunn: So I look Russian to you? Cordelia: Black Russian. Angel: That's a drink.

'Hell Bound'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

Stompy Emerita: ita, DXMachina


SuziQ - Jun 27, 2012 5:17:52 pm PDT #5265 of 6786
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

For brain bleach, can someone Nilly the night of Nilly comes to America goes from an idle thought to reality?


dcp - Jun 27, 2012 6:18:06 pm PDT #5266 of 6786
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

I'm pretty sure it is in one of the archived .zip files.

eta: Yep, the first Minearverse thread. [link]

Post 4576


Pix - Jun 27, 2012 10:24:14 pm PDT #5267 of 6786
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

That's the night I joined the board! Happy all around.


javachik - Jun 27, 2012 10:47:52 pm PDT #5268 of 6786
Our wings are not tired.

That's my favorite part of Allyson's awesome book.


SuziQ - Jun 28, 2012 6:48:12 am PDT #5269 of 6786
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Allyson - post 4728 - Your generosity sparkles and dances. When fit hits the shan around here, remember this. This sort of connection with the world is what the 'net is for.


Scrappy - Jun 28, 2012 11:54:27 am PDT #5270 of 6786
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I'm in favor of sharing the info with them. It may shed more light on the whole issue over there. His behavior to us was public (in that this is a public board) and there is nothing wrong with sharing that public behavior with others. Besides, he's a tool.


P.M. Marc - Jun 29, 2012 11:47:38 am PDT #5271 of 6786
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm in favor of sharing the info with them. It may shed more light on the whole issue over there. His behavior to us was public (in that this is a public board) and there is nothing wrong with sharing that public behavior with others. Besides, he's a tool.

I agree with Scrappy on this, for the record.

Of course, I'd also be wanting to put a registration-by-request system in for, say 3 months after taking the information wider, but that's possibly overkill.


Atropa - Jun 29, 2012 12:10:35 pm PDT #5272 of 6786
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I agree with Scrappy on this, for the record.

Of course, I'd also be wanting to put a registration-by-request system in for, say 3 months after taking the information wider, but that's possibly overkill.

I agree with Plei and Scrappy on this.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 29, 2012 1:26:13 pm PDT #5273 of 6786
What is even happening?

Does anyone see him doing there, what he did, here?

In my head, he committed Buffista pseudicide to keep his wiki's reputation safe from all the tall tales he spun, over here. I have no facts to support that opinion. It is just how I've made sense of it, over the years.

Now, his wiki has reputation problems of its own, but they seem (from a cursory glance) to be caused by poor management decisions and moderation, rather than by being a fabulist. Is our experience relevant to anything going on at the wiki? What will/can sharing it accomplish? What will the fallout be, for this community? Will we be courting the ire of a bunch of people, some of whom post really despicable garbage?

I think "Gus" was smart, funny, creative -- and with us, he was also dishonest, and ultimately cruel. But, until his dramatic exit, he never caused problems on our board. I know, at first glance, that could read like, "Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" My point is that, given how non-trollish he was for the 3 or 4 years he was on the board, I fInd it hard to believe in my heart that he meant to be cruel. And, speaking personally, even if he did, I forgave him long ago.

I think someone who spins elaborate fables for years, as I believe he did, must have a mental illness. I also think that site is probably his livelihood. And I think it's likely he has some physical ailment, too. He never tried to scam us out of money (although I'm not sure what his intent was with tommyrot and the car, "Gus" aborted the caper). I haven't read anything that leads me to believe he's scamming his own community.

The eyes of the Internet are already on him for what he is doing on the wiki. The Something Awful forum has so far had five huge threads about the wiki. It's an ongoing thing for them, like natter is for us. I couldn't give them a thorough read, because their focus is on the gross conversations that happen on the wiki. From what I gleaned though, he seems guilty of inept yet capricious moderation, but appears to be addressing (or trying to address) the issue, now that it has gotten press.

I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. I know, these days, I'm not really a Buffista, so I'm just speaking as a Friend of Buffistas. This FoB made peace with this, as soon as I was confident that this community wasn't mourning someone I didn't and don't believe died. I forgave him and let it go. All I ask is this, please consider how much good and how much harm sharing our story might do, and to whom?


§ ita § - Jun 29, 2012 1:29:31 pm PDT #5274 of 6786
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I fInd it hard to believe in my heart that he meant to be cruel

This? Does not salve the wound. I was casually a fucking prick, I didn't mean to be a fucking prick, just switches around some of the qualifiers on what flavour of fucking prick he was.

The prickness is still up front and centre.

I don't think there's anything about this situation that would be fixed by revealing the public story (security by obscurity--gotta love it), but then again, there's honesty, and I quite like that. Even if it's a case of volunteering the info, instead of being asked.