She ain't movin'. Serenity's not movin'.

Kaylee ,'Out Of Gas'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Ginger - Jun 30, 2010 6:17:20 am PDT #4592 of 6786
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I'd be for the wiki idea, if there's some software that doesn't make ita's head spin. A wiki would actually be a better way of capturing Buffista culture than the FAQ.

In a wiki, any Buffista could enter information. For example, a Buffista could cut and paste a series of posts about nail polish into the "Nail Polish" category. Later, some compulsive editor Buffista reading about nail polish might edit out the non-nail polish parts. A third Buffista could think "This nail polish entry needs a list of the best black nail polishes." She could post in Natter or wherever, "I'm collecting the names of the best black nail polishes." Then people could make suggestions in the thread or go straight to the wiki.

The problems I see with its being a COMM-like thread are that some of these useful conversations go on for many posts and the thread could rapidly become a mass of stuff that's not really an improvement in terms of finding what you're looking for.


SailAweigh - Jun 30, 2010 6:41:15 am PDT #4593 of 6786
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I can see a thread definitely getting unmanageable quickly. A wiki, though, sound like it's tailor-made for us. We talk! And we write, a lot. I'm sure we'd have more than enough people willing to contribute to it to make it truly useful.


WindSparrow - Jun 30, 2010 6:51:24 am PDT #4594 of 6786
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Ginger's description of a wiki makes it sound really appealing.


Jessica - Jun 30, 2010 6:55:48 am PDT #4595 of 6786
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

A good example of why single authentication would be important is TVTropes. It used to be kind of a Buffista wiki, now it's not. Which isn't a problem in and of itself, but it's an example of how without a single login for both sites, a Buffista Advice Wiki runs a pretty high risk of turning into something else. It only takes one high-profile link.


Strega - Jun 30, 2010 7:22:30 am PDT #4596 of 6786

I think a thread might work because people would do it.

If it's a thread here, people can tag/describe the subject, and link directly to the original discussion. If there's follow-up or context, it's right there, and nobody needs to be curator/editor. It's more index-y, I guess. So it'd be something like:

Pete asked about low-maintenance houseplants: Pete, Husband of Jilli "Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds" Jul 29, 2008 6:33:42 pm PDT (Responses follow till #417.)

Since the search function already picks up text in the posts
This is another thing that might make quoting entire posts/conversations problematic...


Dana - Jun 30, 2010 7:26:49 am PDT #4597 of 6786
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And if we're really clever, someone can maintain an index post. Or maybe summarize a week's worth or a month's worth of posts at a time, like they used to do in some threads back at Table Talk. (Other people's threads, not ours.)


brenda m - Jun 30, 2010 7:35:12 am PDT #4598 of 6786
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh god. Didn't we kerfuffle about that back in the day?


Steph L. - Jun 30, 2010 7:36:06 am PDT #4599 of 6786
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oh god. Didn't we kerfuffle about that back in the day?

Yup.


Jesse - Jun 30, 2010 7:41:00 am PDT #4600 of 6786
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

No, that was digesting all of Natter.


amych - Jun 30, 2010 8:36:49 am PDT #4601 of 6786
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Thing 1: I really don't see a thread working because it has the same problem as finding the same useful information in the actual useful information threads where it originally appeared -- threads are sequential, and I'm not looking for advice on troubleshooting my wireless dog at the time it scrolls by; I'll probably remember next week that I saw something recently; but if I'm looking for it 5 years from now -- or even more, if I'm looking for "does the hive mind have anything to say about thing X, with which I'm not familiar enough to come up with great search terms" rather than "where was that thing that Scola said about Linksys wireless dog networks?", I'm pretty much kerfucked.

Thing 2: Nobody (or no small group) should be asked to maintain an index by hand. Way, way, way too much to ask, and if the project is dependent on having a good index, it's much too likely to lose steam when one person gets busy for just a few weeks. Crowdsourced or nothin'

Thing 3: Buffistas only, because of What Jess Said. It's fine if it's browsable if you're not logged in, but no edits except through a Buffistas.org login. Single sign-on, and appearing in the navigation links or footer or some such place that it's integrated into the site. It has to be a part of us and not off somewhere out of sight if it's to work at all.

Thing 3b: ALL Buffistas. Dreamwidth won't work (aside from the sequential thing; the possibility of tagging somewhat fixes that but not totally) because we're not all there, and those of us who are there don't all have the same identities, and those of us who are there don't all have the same personas whether we have the same names or not because it's a different community over there and that's awesome but it's not part of this space. The Hive Mind Repository Of All Universal Wisdom should be available to anyone who's a member here, as easily as going and dropping a link back to a discussion. (We may very well find that some awesome lurkerbrarians are too shy to speak up in thread but would happily do their bookmarking in email public.)

I can see a wiki working. I can also see something like a rewrite of the bookmark system to allow something delicious-like, with public bookmarks and tagging and really good search. But please not a thread.