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Wolfram - May 12, 2008 7:14:40 am PDT #2869 of 6791
Visilurking

I disagree. Someone who posts in a rude and inflammatory matter, is (at least when making that post), a rude and inflammatory person. I know this because if someone called any one of my posts, over my 5+ years here, rude and inflammatory I would take it very personally.


Jessica - May 12, 2008 7:16:12 am PDT #2870 of 6791
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

It's not like the discussion moved from another thread here. The post was posted here.

Yes - the procedure is "deal with it in-thread," so that's what I'm doing.

And FWIW, Laga is a woman.


Wolfram - May 12, 2008 7:23:32 am PDT #2871 of 6791
Visilurking

Since we're talking about procedure and etiquette, why can't I find the link to the Cheesebutt. I've looked in Site Etiquette and in FAQ. Anyone know where it is?


Steph L. - May 12, 2008 7:25:58 am PDT #2872 of 6791
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I know this because if someone called any one of my posts, over my 5+ years here, rude and inflammatory I would take it very personally.

Maybe this attitude -- and I don't mean that you, Wolfram, are responsible for the larger problem; I'm using your statement as what I feel is a good, clear example -- is part of the larger problem with the perceived hurt feelings around the proliferation/anti-proliferation debate.

Maybe some people are too quick to interpret criticism of their position on something as criticism of them as a person.


Laga - May 12, 2008 7:30:35 am PDT #2873 of 6791
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I'm so sorry Jessica. I'm sorry that I offended anyone. I am very sorry that I chose my words poorly.


Wolfram - May 12, 2008 7:40:19 am PDT #2874 of 6791
Visilurking

I'm not trying to pick on you either, Steph, but I think you've demonstrated why we sometimes pretend these issues are less important than they are.

Maybe this attitude -- and I don't mean that you, Wolfram, are responsible for the larger problem; I'm using your statement as what I feel is a good, clear example -- is part of the larger problem with the perceived hurt feelings around the proliferation/anti-proliferation debate.

Why do we keep calling them the "perceived" hurt feelings? There have definitely been hurt feelings around the proliferation debate, and you're right, it's precisely because people take what they post, and what people respond to their posts, personally.

Maybe some people are too quick to interpret criticism of their position on something as criticism of them as a person.

Also there's a huge difference between criticizing a position (i.e. calling it wronger than a wrong thing), and characterizing a post (i.e. calling it rude or inflammatory). And I don't think I'm splitting hairs.


Steph L. - May 12, 2008 7:46:04 am PDT #2875 of 6791
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm not trying to pick on you either, Steph,

It's cool; I can take it. (I would smiley emoticon here if I used emoticons.) t edit I don't feel like you're picking on me, so no worries!

Why do we keep calling them the "perceived" hurt feelings?

I used that term because one of -- I think -- Laga's posts from the other day is stuck in my head, where she said "it seems like there are a lot of hurt feelings."

But maybe I should have used the term "perceived insults" instead.

Also there's a huge difference between criticizing a position (i.e. calling it wronger than a wrong thing), and characterizing a post (i.e. calling it rude or inflammatory). And I don't think I'm splitting hairs.

That distinction is true, but I still don't think that calling a post rude or inflammatory means that the person is being called rude or inflammatory.


Nilly - May 12, 2008 7:48:55 am PDT #2876 of 6791
Swouncing

Cheesebutt.

t /Back to playing catch-up


Sophia Brooks - May 12, 2008 7:50:53 am PDT #2877 of 6791
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think we all need to take Meyer's Briggs tests or something because we seem to have a feeling/thinking divide!


Wolfram - May 12, 2008 7:54:47 am PDT #2878 of 6791
Visilurking

(I would smiley emoticon here if I used emoticons)

Ha, ditto!

But maybe I should have used the term "perceived insults" instead.

Yeah, now I get what you meant, and you're right.