There are definitely good arguments on both sides to up or down the number of the quorum or seconds, and to eliminate or retain no pref., and because of that, I don't think we're going to be able to change a single detail.

I actually like the idea of some tinkering here and there, but maybe that's just because I know the larger conflict will never be resolved.

Or are people irritated, annoyed or other wise irked but not hurt?

Irritated, and in favor of tinkering/streamlining the process. Not hurt, at least not on this end.

I actually like the idea of some tinkering here and there, but maybe that's just because I know the larger conflict will never be resolved.

I'm throwing my hat with the cowgirl.

we already have a system where certain discussions go in certain places. I think it would be great if the proliferation vs. anti proliferation argument stayed in Bureaucracy.

I don't see how proliferation is off topic for thread creation, though.

I don't see how proliferation is off topic for thread creation, though.

It's not. It's part and parcel of it. A new thread, by its very existence, adds to proliferation. (Or is, you know, the definition of proliferation.)

Also I do get a sense of a lot of hurt feelings and it makes me uncomfortable knowing that people feel hurt. One of the main reasons I love it here is because people are compassionate and I hate to watch that break down.

I really don't see it as a breakdown of compassion. It's a bunch of people who feel extremely strongly about something, who aren't afraid of saying so.

the proliferation discussion is no different (aside from possibly its endurance) than many other things the board and the people on it (and that group changes over time, trust on that) discuss that gets heated. Compassion is not breaking down.

I am so confused by this whole emotional framing of discussion basically about "can't we all just get along". Probably not, to be honest. But what we discuss here and decisions we make here are not life and death and as I know I have said before, I doubt anyone's life would be the worse for taking extended time way from the board. perspective.

Or is, you know, the definition of proliferation.

Which is exactly why requests for making it verboten during discussions of same confuse me. Unless it was a request for splitting the discussion into two locations, which confuses me for different reasons.

Site going down in seven, peeps.

I think the difference is that there is no new way to frame the argument. People who feel strongly one way or the other shall never be swayed.

see also: cilantro, muffalettos (sp?), fork holding, seatbelts, quality of various seasons of Buffy, allowing new people to register, voting (see also preferential)......

Can I request a hold on all those topics for the next decade, por favor.

I think the difference is that there is no new way to frame the argument.

That doesn't really matter, though.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but even if there's no new way to frame the anti-proliferation position, that doesn't mean that the anti-proliferationistas should be forbidden from discussing it, or shunted into a non-related thread just because some people don't like that discussion.