Fred: The size and depth of the wound indicate a female vampire. Harmony: Or gay! Fred: Um…it doesn't really work like that.

'Harm's Way'


Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

Stompy Emerita: ita, DXMachina


Jessica - May 09, 2008 4:30:45 pm PDT #2745 of 6786
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think, generally, that telling a Buffista, "No you may not argue on this topic" is a proposition doomed to lose any way you slice it. Talky meat will find a way! Even if talky meat ends up substituting the codeword "left-handed fork" to mean "politics."

I propose that from now on, the word "proliferation" be replaced in all instances with "left-handed fork."

Antiproliferationistas will hence forth be known as The Right-Handed Fork Brigade, and spoilerphobes shall be called The People Of The Spoon.

But in all seriousness, I think this:

Buffista A would be free to argue that the contents or purpose of the thread are not a good contextual fit within b.org. They simply could not argue that b.org should not add the thread because they are against adding threads on principle.

Is a truly terrible idea. I'll argue my points based on whatever principles I damn well please, thank you very much.

Also, yay css! ita, I'd say schedule it on your own time and don't worry about the rest of us. We'll survive for an hour.


amych - May 09, 2008 4:34:00 pm PDT #2746 of 6786
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

What about those of us who hold our forks with the left AND don't love the prolif? Huh? YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!!

Other than that, what Jess said, up to and including the yay css.


Sean K - May 09, 2008 4:46:22 pm PDT #2747 of 6786
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I think, generally, that telling a Buffista, "No you may not argue on this topic" is a proposition doomed to lose any way you slice it. Talky meat will find a way! Even if talky meat ends up substituting the codeword "left-handed fork" to mean "politics."

Yeah, this right here. No matter how I feel about any particular thread creation discussion, I am just not down with any rules telling us what not to talk about, or in any way limiting any body else's way of arguing for or against anything.

I know it sounds like a good idea, but it's really not.

I'm also not for making thread creation any harder than it already is. I imagine not everyone agrees with me, but I'm starting to think it's just about right --

Yes, most of the threads we propose pass, but as has been pointed out, the idea has likely already been through the ringer, and capable of withstanding a little more. I hate that the process is painful for anybody, but it's painful enough that the process itself acts as a sort of a gatekeeper.

Effectively, I think to a certain degree, the vetting process already exists, without a need to legislate the specifics.

And really, I have to state again that I just do not think that any further legislation of the thread creation process, or any changes to it at all need to be made. And I definitely do not think topic limitations of any kind have any place in our bureaucratic processes


Sean K - May 09, 2008 4:49:45 pm PDT #2748 of 6786
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

I refuse to deny anybody the right to tell me to cram it.


Jessica - May 09, 2008 5:03:50 pm PDT #2749 of 6786
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What about those of us who hold our forks with the left AND don't love the prolif? Huh? YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME!!

Pipe down, peasant!


Kat - May 09, 2008 5:06:34 pm PDT #2750 of 6786
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I'm agreeing with Sean and Jessica. I think telling people they can't talk about why they disagree is just unworkable.

I'm also with Sophia in that I remember the convo (endless!) to get the voting process in place.

The one idea that spoke to me was msbelle's about a thread creation window. Create two windows a year and make whatever threads want to be made at that time, but only during those times.


Frankenbuddha - May 09, 2008 5:14:11 pm PDT #2751 of 6786
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I refuse to deny anybody the right to tell me to cram it.

Hey Sean - if your going to tell me that you refuse to deny my rights then SCREW YOU!!!

But don't let me tell you to cram it.

The one idea that spoke to me was msbelle's about a thread creation window. Create two windows a year and make whatever threads want to be made at that time, but only during those times.

I like the idea, but a sick part of me wants to find a way to turn it into a quickfire challenge.


brenda m - May 09, 2008 5:38:15 pm PDT #2752 of 6786
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Antiproliferationistas will hence forth be known as The Right-Handed Fork Brigade, and spoilerphobes shall be called The People Of The Spoon.

And the path to enlightenment is a long and difficult one, but someday we shall achieve nirvana Spork.


Laga - May 09, 2008 6:05:13 pm PDT #2753 of 6786
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Each time a new thread is proposed the argument of left handed vs. right handed forks escalates until someone's feelings get hurt. Is there any way to avoid this?


Frankenbuddha - May 09, 2008 6:28:38 pm PDT #2754 of 6786
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And the path to enlightenment is a long and difficult one, but someday we shall achieve nirvana Spork.

What's a Spork? - Spydaddy