I think the problem with Dollhouse is that it's going to get discussed all over the place if there's not a topic for it. If people don't like the show or have a problem with it, I'd imagine that might bug them.

I think the problem with Dollhouse is that it's going to get discussed all over the place if there's not a topic for it.

Actually, it should only get discussed in Spoilers/Spoilers Lite for a while yet, right? Even after the upfronts, the only things not spoilery for the show will be the cast and, like, the basic premise. Even if we did have a thread for it, spoiler rules would be such that cast and basic premise would be just about all we could talk about in-thread, until like August. (Presuming it's a fall premiere show, which, if this thing is premiering a year from now, I reserve the right to stick my tongue out at all of you.)

Is official magazine press and such counted as spoilers? At the minute we're discussing it in Minearverse, Spoilers, Spoilers Lite and Buffy.

Is official magazine press and such counted as spoilers?

Yes and no. We officially unspoilered main credits cast, and I think it would be impossible to keep general knowledge of a show-premise spoily, but details like "Character X and Character Y have smoochies" would be spoily. Relevant text from the FAQ:

Q. What do you guys consider a spoiler?

A. Anything that hasn't been broadcast. So anything from the show and the preview trailers is okay, anything from TV Guide or anywhere else is a spoiler, including casting news, episode titles and plot twists. No white fonting. Spoilers should only be posted in the spoiler thread.

Q. Are all casting news items considered spoilers?

A. Most. When in doubt, treat them as spoilers.

Following is an explanation about the difference between "Hunk Lunkhead has a contract on the show" and "Hunk Lunkhead will be guest starring as Cheesy McBlowhard, the nemesis to Our Hero." I think that the formal spoiler rules are necessarily relaxed a little, for a new show, but the smoochies part is still a spoiler any way you slice it.

Even if we did have a thread for it, spoiler rules would be such that cast and basic premise would be just about all we could talk about in-thread, until like August.

This is what I was wondering, too. It seems way too early for a dedicated thread.

oh hell. SERIOUSLY!!!

just open a thread for every single thing anyone wants, just do it and stop all the talk, it is so tiresome already.

I am against a Dollhouse thread until the show airs, but:

Even if we did have a thread for it, spoiler rules would be such that cast and basic premise would be just about all we could talk about in-thread, until like August.

Wait, so here you strongly care about spoiler rules, but for gamers who don't want to be spoiled for comics, or people who want to talk about BSG without getting spoiled for Stargate, need to just get over it?

Sean, I think they're two different issues. Notably, I don't have a strong opinion on the idea of using Other Media for gaming, and the spoiler issues that might cause, because I'm not well-informed enough (not being subscribed to the thread).

And I think you're being dramatic and it feels like you are attempting to score points off me. And I wish you'd quit it.

re: Dollhouse - I think we should not think about it until we have the Fox schedule in hand. We could vote for a Dollhouse thread - have it in place and then discover that it won't even air 'til January.

Sean, I think they're two different issues.

They are. One is about being spoiled for the topic of the thread, and one is about being spoiled for other stuff.