I guess we have to determine if a slightly different drama thread is enough different from the previous proposal to fall under the prohibition.

If it is sufficiently different I really hope we can decide clearly what is different enough so there's not an unending cascade of thread requests, for which there'll be no doubt that the proposer sees a bright line between it and one that failed.

Drama We Watch That Isn't Procedurals.

and

Quirky Drama

are both basically Drama threads. So I would hope that people would respect our voting procedures and not re-propose until the 6 month moritorium is over.

I agree on the first but I think the second would depend a lot on how it was defined.

Ugh. I think the semantics of trying to define what makes a "quirky" drama is a miasma of shit that I don't want the board to step into.

Procedurals. clear sort of and makes sense. Comedy. clear sort of except for the Ugly Bettys of the world. But "Quirky" drama is a lot like "media fannishness." Frankly I think it ends up being "quirky" in a faux-intellectual "we think its quirky because we watch it" way and I would object to it being proposed within the next 6 months.

Well, I resent the implication that I'm trying to circumvent board voting policy. That is most adamantly not what I was attempting to do; I was trying to meet the needs of television watching we will likely be doing according to the poll results, while going forward with a proposal because we've been talking in circles for awhile now.

That said, I think the difference is that the Network Drama thread was meant to encompass all the drama shows airing in the fall on the network stations. If we start filtering shows down more, I think the limited scope of the remaining shows could--and should--have its own thread. Call it "Quirky Network Shows" or whatever, but I think it's sufficiently different from the scope of the previous network drama proposal to be within the purview of our rules.

But "Quirky" drama is a lot like "media fannishness." Frankly I think it ends up being "quirky" in a faux-intellectual "we think its quirky because we watch it" way and I would object to it being proposed within the next 6 months

I'd agree with Kat. My quirky may not be your quirky (for example, House does not seem quirky to me. Yeah, the main character is odd but the show is what I would think of as a procedural, a medical procedural that is).

How are you defining quirky though? Does quirky mean having quirky characters, or a quirky set up, or a quirky setting, or all three?

eta (or what Lisah said)

I also think Lisa brings up a good point-- do you mean just legal/crime procedurals, or medical procedurals as well?

Just to play devil's advocate further, if we end up defining procedurals as both medical and legal and end up voting on it, and it fails, are we then going to have another round of proposals for a just crime/police shows bucket and a just medical shows bucket? What if one or both of those fails? Do we then refine it even further?

Eta: Rereading my post, it sounds more argumentative than I meant it to be. I just think we need to look at how finely we parse the distinctions between proposals before the 6 month voting prohibition kicks in.

Well, we appear to be looking for a bucket definition that is narrow enough that people won't feel spoiled by entering it.

But how long do we keep redefining and re-voting?