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Bureaucracy 4: Like Job. No, really, just like Job

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

Current Stompy Feet: Jon B, P.M. Marcontell, Liese S., amych, msbelle, shrift, Dana, Laura

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JZ - Aug 15, 2007 8:48:23 am PDT #1040 of 6786
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

::crawls under desk to hide unworthy self from Robin's gaze::

On-topic: I'm starting to tilt just slightly against No Preference and in favor of raising the quorum.


Hayden - Aug 15, 2007 8:48:29 am PDT #1041 of 6786
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I just like the chance to say howdy.

Aw! I like saying howdy to you, also! But I hope you want to talk music sometime, too.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2007 8:49:37 am PDT #1042 of 6786
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It is also what we voted for.

And we can vote it away.

But as Jesse has pointed out, people whose names you don't know have given money to support the board. Sometimes even a healthy amount of money.

Donating money is saying something, though.


Sean K - Aug 15, 2007 8:53:41 am PDT #1043 of 6786
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Donating money is saying something, though.

I agree, but it's also the most invisible way to say something as a lurker. If you delurk in some other thread, there's a text record with your name attached, and anybody who wanders by the thread can see you've delurked.

If you just send in a big wad of cash to keep the board afloat, the only person who will know your name is Jesse, and I don't see her running around outing silent partners.


Jon B. - Aug 15, 2007 8:54:31 am PDT #1044 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Except that 53% thought that establishing a more difficult threshold for creating a new thread was a good idea.

These two things are indirect contradiction with each other, unless you presume that some significant portion of respondants don't think creating a greater threshold for thread creation is the same as revisiting the voting rules.

The survey question was worded, "If we do create a check on thread creation, what should it be?" (emphasis mine). Someone could easily be against changing the rules, but IF the rules are to be changed a greater threshhold is the way to go. Also, fewer people answered that question, so the 53% is misleading.


§ ita § - Aug 15, 2007 8:54:57 am PDT #1045 of 6786
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm just saying that they're not lurking anymore. They're not saying something as a lurker, because they are saying something as a participant. A quiet one, but record is out there.


Sean K - Aug 15, 2007 9:03:54 am PDT #1046 of 6786
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

The survey question was worded, "If we do create a check on thread creation, what should it be?" (emphasis mine). Someone could easily be against changing the rules, but IF the rules are to be changed a greater threshhold is the way to go. Also, fewer people answered that question, so the 53% is misleading.

Except that the question just before that one was: "Do we need to have some kind of check on thread creation to maintain the cultural center?" and a plurality answered "Yes."


Zenkitty - Aug 15, 2007 9:10:59 am PDT #1047 of 6786
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

If we don't increase the quorum, but we discard the No Preference option, how likely is it that the people who voted NP would still vote and choose a side? Or would they likely just abstain? Because if all the people who are currently active voters all picked yes or no, then we'd get a clear majority out of the quorum of 42 we already have. And if the reasons for settling on the number 42 are still valid (I forget what they were), then there'd be no reason to up the quorum. Yes/ No/ I'm a dummy?

quorum quorum quorum.


Jon B. - Aug 15, 2007 9:12:45 am PDT #1048 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

A 41% plurality is hardly a mandate, but I see your point. I guess the discrepancy is that only 50 people thought we should change the voting rules while 74 thought we need to have some kind of check on thread creation. You'd think the latter would be a subset (and thus smaller) than the former.


Jon B. - Aug 15, 2007 9:15:26 am PDT #1049 of 6786
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Because if all the people who are currently active voters all picked yes or no, then we'd get a clear majority out of the quorum of 42 we already have.

I don't understand this comment. What's a "clear majority"?

In every single thread creation vote we've had, if all the people voting NP had instead not voted, the vote would still have met the quorum of 42 votes.

vote vote vote