re the plot oversight- I figured by the time Bats got back upstairs Joker's crew had split.

bonny, i had the same question about the garage scene that you did. it was very WTF?! for me. i don't think we were meant to think that he and the Batman wannabes were on opposing sides because one of the fake!Bats said they were just trying to help and i think i remember Crane agreeing with him.

Tiggy remembers it the way I remember it, which is why I found it confusing, but potentially interesting. I wonder if something there got cut for time, either during that scene, or later.

That was the sense I had too.

Completely random thing, unrelated to Batman.

I can't seem to find a management address for someone, to whom, I would like to write.

I'm looking for Angie Dickinson.

Any of the LAistas have any idea where I might find that info?

I know this sounds odd, but rather than a 'love your work' fan letter, I'd like to write and thank her for an appearance she made on the Tonight Show 30 years ago. She was the very first celebrity I ever heard speak out for the environment. She was a staunch advocate for water conservation...in a state that desperately needed that message, even back then.

I was just brushing my teeth and remembered how she weathered derision for telling people to turn the tap off while brushing your teeth and not flushing unless you need to.

Long before Al and Leo, she was out there for our own good. I just want to let her know that I remember her wisdom.

Why was Superman Returns so boring? Can't explain it, but it was.

bonny- you could try signing up for a free trial of "imdb pro" and click on "contact information" from her page.

My opinion is that it needed to be mentioned early on and then left alone until the reveal

I don't think that the Two-Face nickname itself provided any new information; it was just there as a setup. We knew that he wasn't very well liked by the other officers because, well, no one likes when Internal Affairs comes in and indicts your friends. And the thing is, he was RIGHT. There WERE a bunch of corrupt cops on the force, so I don't think he's not supposed to be Mr. Pureheart White Knight, entirely. I think we were pretty much supposed to see him as a good guy.

Oh, I agree we were supposed to see Harvey Dent as a good guy; just one who isn't as perfect as he may have been perceived.

okay, i just watched the opening scene again and Crane doesn't necessarily look as if he's helping the fake!Bats. he doesn't nod like i thought he had. he just says, "not my diagnosis" after Bats says he "doesn't need help". so i'm still completely stumped.

I think that with Nolan movies, plot comes first and theme gets layered on second, and the result in TDK was that the themes were often incoherent, internally contradictory, and expressed in dialogue/speeches/narration.

Wow, really? I trust Nolan with themes and concepts. And to be fair, up until this movie I trusted him with plot too, but I think the concepts interest him more than the details. I need to see TDK again... there's a lot of plot stuff I suspect I'll be disappointed by, but my impression was that the plot was sacrificed for the sake of the ideas.

And I'm okay with that to an extent because, as with Batman Begins, I did totally groove on the themes. But that means seeing it again will make a bit angry about the not-making-sense bits. Unless, y'know, it does. I'd love it if it all makes more sense on a second viewing. It just didn't feel like it would.

Er, anyway, I am totally on board with the complaint that the "What nickname did y'all have for me?" scene in the hospital came way, way, way too late to feel anything but clunky.

And re some of the other whitefont above: I do think some of the more horrific events were excised to get a PG-13. I also think some of it was deliberate, but... yeah. I am sorta anticipating a director's cut "with bonus gore!" eventually.