As Willow goes, so goes my nation.

Oz ,'Selfless'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


quester - May 28, 2012 5:44:06 pm PDT #9621 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I guess it just got lost in the chauvanism!

It was nice to see Freddy again, though.


Vonnie K - May 28, 2012 5:52:27 pm PDT #9622 of 11998
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I just watched. Jesus Christ on a pogostick.

I think Megan's audition was supposed to give you the creeps. "Turn around, sweetheart." It was all about women's body as commodity, tying together with Joan's storyline.

Joan's FACE in that moment when the dress was being unzipped...! I have so many feels. Mostly wanting to throw up. But mixed with other complicated stuff. There was coercion, but she chose this as well, yet there was the fact that she was put in the position to choose this in the first place, and felt compelled to go through with it. Then she stepped in the conference room the next day as a partner, but everyone in that room knew that what she had done to become one, and ACCCK. *flails*

That last scene between Peggy and Don nearly made me cry. Their scenes together have always been my favourite. For all of Don's callousness, Peggy has always been the one he trusted the most, and they've seen each other at their worst and have long recognized in each other something of a kindred spirit. I was really fucking proud of Peggy for making that incredibly emotional decision that she knew was right for her, and sticking with it with great dignity. Though I might have wibbled a bit when Don held onto her hand with his lips with a certain despairing desperation. (YOU SHOULD HAVE TREATED HER BETTER, DON, YOU ASS.) She had such a wistful look on her face as she exited, but then, that smile on her face! Oh, Peggy. I love you the best. (Man, I sure hope they find a way to keep Elizabeth Moss on the show next season. I don't know if I want to keep watching this show without her in it.)


Vortex - May 28, 2012 5:56:14 pm PDT #9623 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I can't imagine that they wouldn't keep Elizabeth Moss.


le nubian - May 28, 2012 6:02:16 pm PDT #9624 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I'm waiting for her triumphant return after 1-2 years to come back as a partner!


Typo Boy - May 28, 2012 6:10:51 pm PDT #9625 of 11998
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

In terms of Joan's choice. It was a choice, but the best of a number bad choices - so it was coercion too.

As background, Joan was born in an era where, at least in the environment she was in - the ad business - she had to use her sexuality to get ahead. I mean, she had a choice, but the choice was to stay in the secretarial pool. If she wanted to get ahead even as far as she had, her only choice was to use her sexuality on occasion including sleeping with powerful men. For that matter her marriage to Dr. Rapey was based on looking for a good catch. And note that when she announced her engagement Peggy commented (completely without irony) that he sounded like a "real catch". (Of course nobody but Joan and Dr. Rapey knew he was Dr. Rapey. And probably Dr. Rapey never thought of it as rape, and it took Joan years to realize that rape was what it was. The term "Date Rape" was not invented at the time. )

And she though she had moved beyond needing to use her sexuality any more. But note that in spite of her talents, she never got beyond office manager. Every other major character we saw move at least once. Joan was still in the same apartment. Neither her sexuality nor her talents and skills (which really qualified her for Lane's job) got her beyond that.

And then she hears about the offer, and that everyone is considering it. When push comes to shove, the men running the firm still see her as a body to trade. And they will blame her for losing Jaguar if she does not make, as will most of the people in the firm. And if she wants to be a position where this can never happen again, she needs to make that trade one last time - but on her terms.

It is not empowering. It is horrible and disgusts her. But under the circumstances she sees it as the best choice she can make. A horrible way out of a trap.

At least that is my take.


§ ita § - May 28, 2012 6:14:49 pm PDT #9626 of 11998
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

On other shows....

I just asked John Rogers to put Colin on his show (a site visit for me might have come up) never mind what other shows he might get.

Weirdly, not brushed off as a crazy fangirl. He says he'll see what he can do.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA. YOU THINK YOU DO, BUT...you only have some of the idea.


-t - May 28, 2012 6:33:51 pm PDT #9627 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

It was nice to see Freddy again, though.

Yes, it was. And he seems to be doing well and is sober, which pleases me.

That's so exciting, ita !!!


Liese S. - May 28, 2012 6:39:28 pm PDT #9628 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Go, ita !.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a timing thing with Don. He didn't realize the approval had gone through without him. And when he did, he tried to get Dawn to get Joan, but she had already left the office (presumably to do the dirty deed) and by the time he caught her at home, it was too late.

I think there's plenty of awful coming up in Megan's acting career.


DavidS - May 28, 2012 7:50:47 pm PDT #9629 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think there's plenty of awful coming up in Megan's acting career.

The casting couch is no myth. Especially in that era.


Theodosia - May 29, 2012 2:19:20 am PDT #9630 of 11998
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I'd love to see a panel discussion with Joan, Peggy, Daenerys, and Cersei.