I don't fancy spending the next month trying to get librarian out of the carpet.

Spike ,'Chosen'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


quester - Apr 23, 2012 10:40:10 am PDT #9425 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

::quester gets her Capricorn all up in le nubian's grill::

I don't know what it says about Mad Men but people do seem to bring Their Issues to their response to it more than most shows.

See, there it is. I was laughing as I posted that last because I recognized as I was writing it that I was doing exactly what David was talking about.

I find myself feeling much more sympathy towards Megan than I ever have towards Betty. It may be that living with Don is impossible, but I think Megan is made of stronger stuff than Betty is.


erikaj - Apr 23, 2012 10:45:52 am PDT #9426 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

I really haven't missed Betty at all...her setting seem pretty stuck on "querulous" and it's tiring.(Initially, she seemed more like a full character...now, she stamps her feet and begs for compliments...I kind of wish January Jones had to stay pregnant for two years, like an elephant. Megan's okay...I *preferred* Dr. Faye, but not enough for a shipper war or anything.


Polter-Cow - Apr 23, 2012 10:47:27 am PDT #9427 of 11998
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm with Erika.


DavidS - Apr 23, 2012 11:00:26 am PDT #9428 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I miss the more multi-dimensional Betty we saw in the first two seasons. And I hope they swing back in that direction.

I liked Dr. Faye, but that's from a modern perspective. She was largely in the show to show exactly who Don could NOT be with. The very issues he had with Faye (her honesty, her ethics, her self assurance) are the same kind of frictions he's now experiencing with Megan. Megan is younger, but also wants to be treated with professional respect, and honesty and kindness.

That violent side of Don has always been present. He shoved Betty rather roughly when she challenged him, and his finger-bang of Bobbie Barrett was dark stuff too.

Having grown up on the other side of the 2nd Wave of the Feminist revolution, I don't think people who grew up afterwards realize how condoned/expected/tolerated a certain amount of physical domination/violence was expected from men in that era. Backhanding your wife for mouthing off would not get somebody a label for being a "wife beater."

It fell somewhere in the same cultural space that validated beating your kids with a belt as punishment. There were even plenty of cultural indicators that you were less of a man if you didn't.

Men and women expected it, which is why you had songs like The Crystals "He Hit Me And It Felt Like a Kiss." (used recently in the closing credits)


DavidS - Apr 23, 2012 11:01:57 am PDT #9429 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

To be clear, I'm not validating that POV at all, or defending Don or anything like that. I'm just reporting what I remember.


quester - Apr 23, 2012 11:04:25 am PDT #9430 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Yep, pretty much the way I remember it, too.


erikaj - Apr 23, 2012 12:07:26 pm PDT #9431 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

There was even an I love Lucy about that once, which was totally weird, I guess it gets left out of most of the syndication runs(with good reason, as it plays totally creepy to a modern viewer whose initials are me) but anyway, Lucy has some goofy accident and gives herself a black eye. But the whole apartment building thinks Ricky did it and Fred's all "Better buy some flowers and make it up to her," and the sad old lady that does nothing else but babysit whenever offers marital advice, and it ends just like a regular ep, with the hugging and the 'splaining and all that.


Jon B. - Apr 23, 2012 5:43:20 pm PDT #9432 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I totally missed this until FAQWife pointed it out: One of the women at the LSD party (I think the one who seemed to live there) was the mom on My So-Called Life -- Bess Armstrong.


quester - Apr 23, 2012 5:56:48 pm PDT #9433 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I thought that was her!


Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 23, 2012 6:07:27 pm PDT #9434 of 11998
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Backhanding your wife for mouthing off would not get somebody a label for being a "wife beater."

It would have gotten my dad the label "missing and presumed dead."