Also, I can kill you with my brain.

River ,'Trash'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Theodosia - Apr 16, 2012 2:53:05 am PDT #9385 of 11998
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Galaxy is one of the more literary-minded SF magazines. I'm not sure if Damon Knight was editing it back in '66, but 'Ben Hargrove' is rubbing shoulders with the like of Theodore Sturgeon, Harlan Ellison, et al.


Jessica - Apr 16, 2012 6:32:34 am PDT #9386 of 11998
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Joan is my favorite.

"Ben Hargrove" is a great SF pen name - I had to do a mental check to see if they'd stolen a real pseud because it sounded so much like someone I ought to have heard of.

Also, the internet has answered all our prayers for a GIF of Pete getting punched in the face.


DavidS - Apr 16, 2012 6:35:54 am PDT #9387 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Nice display of pack dominance, Lane!

Poor Pete, all the entitlement(s) in the world can't fill the hole in his soul.

That look on Don's face when Pete said, "I have nothing" was perfect.


Theodosia - Apr 16, 2012 6:46:04 am PDT #9388 of 11998
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I find it interesting that Peggy & Ken have a pact that she goes with him if he leaves.


-t - Apr 16, 2012 6:55:32 am PDT #9389 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

"Ben Hargrove" is a great SF pen name - I had to do a mental check to see if they'd stolen a real pseud because it sounded so much like someone I ought to have heard of.

Right? I liked his second pseud, too, though, of course, now I can't remember it


DavidS - Apr 16, 2012 6:57:39 am PDT #9390 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I find it interesting that Peggy & Ken have a pact that she goes with him if he leaves.

Alan Sepinwall noted that they worked well together as far back as S1 on the radio commercial.

I really liked the development with Ken, and learning more about his wife (Cynthia! In publishing).

Don seemed to have affection/respect for Trudy.

I've seen some reviews saying that Joan rejected Lane - which she did. But it sure looked to me like she was responding to that kiss. She was leaning into it before she broke it off.

I've seen some complaints that say that this season has gotten too on-the-nose with its motifs and parallels and symbols. I'm wondering if the long layoff gave Weiner too much time to weave things together. The last couple episodes have all hit a little hard on their thematic interests.

They've always had episodes like "Maidenform" where they link the parallel storylines, but this one underscored everything with Ken's story about building bridges between worlds (everybody got into a "car wreck" for reaching beyond their assigned role in this episode).

There was also (as Tom and Lorenzo noted) a strong theme of a fear of emasculation in this episode. (They also pointed out that of course Don would know how to spell the last name of the University of Texas sniper.)

That said, I enjoyed this episode more than any other this season.

I wonder if the crisis of this season won't center around Don, but possibly Peggy leaving the firm.


DavidS - Apr 16, 2012 7:12:37 am PDT #9391 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Incidentally, there was a long tradition of writers working in ad agencies including Joseph Heller (Mary Higgins Clark worked at the same agency) and Don Delillo (five years as a copywriter at Ogilvy and Mather on 5th Ave.). William Gaddis (who wrote the influential novel The Recognitions) was a midtown Manhattan executive.

I read one woman's memoir of Manhattan in the 50s and 60s where she said that contrary to Roger's treatment of Ken, many agencies considered it a form of prestige and patronage to let writers work for the company in the morning and on their fiction in the afternoon.


sumi - Apr 16, 2012 7:42:31 am PDT #9392 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Need to watch Psych!

I wondered about Ken and the writing - it seems like a natural progression to write at home when you're an adman during the day.

I liked Ken and Peggy's alliance too.

And I had extra fun because I watched this week's Fringe just before watching this week's Mad Men. Extra Jared Harriseriffic.


-t - Apr 16, 2012 7:45:31 am PDT #9393 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

contrary to Roger's treatment of Ken, many agencies considered it a form of prestige and patronage to let writers work for the company in the morning and on their fiction in the afternoon.

Yeah, but Ken isn't in Creative, he's an accounts guy.


DavidS - Apr 16, 2012 7:49:44 am PDT #9394 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Yeah, but Ken isn't in Creative, he's an accounts guy.

True fact. Also, Roger's hostility didn't have much to do with the writing itself it had to do with (a) him also being an unappreciated writer; and (b) he needed somebody lower on the totem pole to bully.

Did you notice all the foreshadowing of violence/suicide/death? References to Pete's gun (linked somewhat to Charles Whitman), Don doodling a noose, and talking about "blowing his brains out" in the suburbs. Following up on the Richard Speck murder spree. I think this season ends in blood.