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Barb - Oct 19, 2010 6:36:43 am PDT #7096 of 12003
“Not dead yet!”

Betty's biggest problem is she doesn't know what she wants. She knows what she's supposed to want and she's twice tried to get it and twice wound up with it being supremely unsatisfying. The one thing she's had any control over has been her children and she's rapidly losing that and trying her damnedest to keep it through fear and intimidation which is already starting to lose some of its potency and is going to get that much worse when Megan becomes a more permanent fixture in the kids' lives. I know some people doubt if Don will make it to the altar, but he truly loves his kids and he loves who he can be with them when Megan's in the picture, so for that alone, I think he'll go through with marriage. It might wind up being his Achilles heel.


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2010 6:44:48 am PDT #7097 of 12003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Rubicon did air this last episode on US tv, right? Then no need to spoilerfont.


DavidS - Oct 19, 2010 7:24:20 am PDT #7098 of 12003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Emily Nussbaum (who has criticized the portrayal of Betty) and Logan Hill hash out the finale.

They specifically address Weiner's post-finale comment.

E.N.: I read Weiner's remarks about her on Vulture and honestly, found them a bit disturbing! "We all had mothers like this?"

L.H.: I did not have a mother like that.

E.N.: Neither did I. The thing is, I don't take issue with the notion that being a suburban mother back then was stultifying or deforming. But Betty goes beyond that.


ChiKat - Oct 19, 2010 8:58:33 am PDT #7099 of 12003
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I hold out great hope for Dr. Edna to help her.

I don't. I kind of want her to completely lose it and bottom out. I want to see what happens when the public facade totally explodes.

But maybe I'm just a big meaniepants.


quester - Oct 19, 2010 4:22:55 pm PDT #7100 of 12003
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

I think I was about Sally's age. My mother was extremely unhappy and bitter about being a suburban housewife. On top of that she was bitter about being Catholic and having no power over having 7 children.

But she was from the WWII generation and had gone to work and college and wanted a career, but instead she married my father and followed him all over the country trailing kids.


Jesse - Oct 19, 2010 5:30:32 pm PDT #7101 of 12003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Me too. I think even dating back to when they first slept together. She knew she wasn't going to catch Don by putting any kind of relationship pressure on him, that it had to at least seem like it was all his decision. That being said, I'm not as convinced as everyone else seems to be that Don is making another bad decision.

I agree with all of this. I think Megan is really interesting -- smart and canny, without being outwardly ambitious, great with the kids and with Don, etc.


Typo Boy - Oct 19, 2010 5:33:06 pm PDT #7102 of 12003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

But I think she really does not know what she's getting. I think she has a fantasy of who Don is. I think Don has a fantasy of who Megan is. Worse he has a fantasy of who he is when he is with Megan. Of course, it makes for a more interesting show when main characters mostly make bad choices.


sj - Oct 19, 2010 6:39:07 pm PDT #7103 of 12003
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think I could buy Betty as an "every mother" if I could easily recall any scenes where she seems to genuinely like her children at all. Surely every mother has a moment or two when she is petty or says something awful to her children, but those moments are all we ever see of Betty as a mother.


Typo Boy - Oct 19, 2010 7:09:26 pm PDT #7104 of 12003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The last time we saw as good mother was shooting pigeons.


JZ - Oct 20, 2010 4:13:57 am PDT #7105 of 12003
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Just a couple of weeks ago (a couple of months in show-time) she was grinning with delight at Sally shrieking over Beatles tickets, and when Don showed up at Gene's birthday party (thank you, Doctor Faye, for insisting he be there) she shrugged off Henry's irritation and put Gene where he belonged at that moment, in his father's arms.

Tiny, tiny little glimmers of something better in an otherwise completely damaged and damaging job of parenting, but a lot better than shooting pigeons!

I know for certain that my mother was nothing like Betty, but I would actually hesitate to ever suggest she watch the show because her own mother truly, truly was. My mom is a little over a decade older than Sally, her younger sister just a couple of years older, and between them I don't think there's been one Betty/Sally clash that they didn't experience in their childhoods. (They, and she, did eventually come to peace; it's no exaggeration to say that joining AA saved her life and her soul and her relationships with everyone in her family.)

Possibly my grandmother is part of why I still feel sympathy for Betty; I didn't have to live with her as a mother, and all I know is her beauty, her sorrow and regret, her constant, fumbling efforts at atonement. Stopping being Betty was a huge good thing for her and for everyone who knew her, and utterly necessary, but the cost to her of that relentless self-examination was brutal.