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Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


le nubian - Aug 17, 2010 7:37:36 am PDT #6369 of 12003
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

ita,

what I'm saying is that perhaps it wasn't the director's or writer's intent, maybe it was the actor. Sometimes things happen that you don't intend.

If a lot of people are seeing a particular reference in a creative work - one that wasn't intended, maybe the reference got in there subconsciously?


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2010 7:43:35 am PDT #6370 of 12003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But the actor didn't choose the first words that you say were Palinesque. The writer did.

Neither of us can say what was done subconsciously, no one can. That's the magic of that position.

But they're being charged with making jabs at a Palin-analogue, and to me it looks like either an over or under-active imagination at work. If she'd had the accent, or worn the glasses, or been slaptastically dumb, but seriously? Articulate intelligent brunette in a suit? So rapidly disqualified from being her my head spins.

She never even crossed my mind either.


le nubian - Aug 17, 2010 7:51:25 am PDT #6371 of 12003
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I don't really feel like passionately supporting my point of view on this because I'm not all that invested in this as an ISSUE, but when I saw the character, with the hair, the outfit, and snippets of her conversation, I thought there was a reference going on that to me seemed unmistakable.

As the episode went on, it of course isn't the case, but I thought that was just an in-joke of those on the crew: introduce a visual Palin reference and knock it down by having the character be relatively competent.

A question was raised about why people thought this might be a Palin reference, I responded as one perspective and why I thought a quick reference was made. I get that this wasn't intended.

I am not trolling for my point of view here.


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2010 7:52:56 am PDT #6372 of 12003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't deny that people could take it as such. I just don't get why people (and I'm not saying you) insist it is despite denial. And one of the women on his blog is insisting it's a bad Palin impersonation too. Dude, Occam's razor much?


Zenkitty - Aug 17, 2010 12:00:57 pm PDT #6373 of 12003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I saw her "poufy hair" and thought, "oh, that looks like Palin." And there the resemblance ended. John said it wasn't meant to be Palin, and listed all the ways in which she was not like Palin. But... what are you gonna do? the folks who want to be offended will continue to be offended, and will insist that John simply won't admit the truth. It's a silly thing for people to focus on, especially given all the other chewy bits in the episode that were much more interesting than the provenance of the AG. Like, how Parker doesn't recognize what sex sounds like!


Jesse - Aug 17, 2010 4:42:46 pm PDT #6374 of 12003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Did they say the password was Sunnydale?


Dana - Aug 17, 2010 5:03:11 pm PDT #6375 of 12003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Dangit, I was distracted, only listening, and I missed shirtless Neal!


Lee - Aug 17, 2010 5:14:33 pm PDT #6376 of 12003
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I think you should rewatch, Dana.

Or I could do it for you.

That thing with the lie detector was just dumb--they could have just looked at the tracking anklet.


§ ita § - Aug 17, 2010 5:29:52 pm PDT #6377 of 12003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I heard Sunnydale too, Jesse.


Zenkitty - Aug 17, 2010 8:04:31 pm PDT #6378 of 12003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

That thing with the lie detector was just dumb--they could have just looked at the tracking anklet.

True. But then we wouldn't have learned that jabbing oneself with a thumbtack can somehow produce a false True reading, and who knows when we'll need to know that?

Password was definitely Sunnydale! Cool. Jeff Eastin says on Twitter, "Sunnydale password is a nod to Buffy."

I heart Diana more and more. Glad she's back. I also heart shirtless Neal, in an entirely different way. Matt Bomer is just too damned pretty to be real.