Mal: You know, you ain't quite right. River: It's the popular theory.

'Objects In Space'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


sumi - Sep 05, 2007 8:34:52 am PDT #488 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

I think that it would be a real conflict of interest if he switched to Frobisher's side. I'm not sure how Tom's involvement in the case working with Patty would conflict when he was (briefly) representing them solo.


amych - Sep 06, 2007 5:43:40 pm PDT #489 of 11998
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

MM: Aww, Sal! Loud but shy! And such an utter and complete lack of clue!

(Also, now taking bets on whether Pete becomes a serial killer this season or it's the big surprise over the hiatus...)


Liese S. - Sep 07, 2007 8:25:11 am PDT #490 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Mad Men: Seconding amych's awww. Hee!

Also, we got a big reveal for Don's parentage. But in a way that I think still leaves it a little bit open for passing.


askye - Sep 07, 2007 8:26:09 am PDT #491 of 11998
Thrive to spite them

My cable was messing up and I don't think I recorded it, I know AMC will replay it, but I'm dying to know -- what was the reveal?


Vortex - Sep 07, 2007 8:28:50 am PDT #492 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Re Mad Men -- I think that Sal is aware of being gay, he just doesn't want to be. Or he doesn't want the life that being gay entails. He'll go out to dinner and flirt, but he won't follow through with it because he wants to be successful, and he wants to make his mother happy. That means a wife and kids. I see him dating that poor girl from the switchboard and her wondering what's wrong with her because he never tries anything.

Also, what the hell is wrong with Peggy? She sleeps with Pete the night before his wedding, has crazy sex on his office couch, and then he says something shitty that basically means "I only want to fuck you", and her feelings get hurt. I mean, he did lead her on a bit in the office, but be realistic. And after that, she still came to his office the next morning. Have some pride!

Also, the dynamic of Don and his girlfriend is wierd. I get the whole let's go to Paris/no I have plans thing, but why did he give her the check? I looked it up and $2500 was about 17K in 1960 money. He could have used the bonus to make up for giving all of that money to his brother. I did like his final line "no, YOU can't leave".

I also liked the bits from his past. I guess that his mom didn't remarry, he was either taken in by the religious woman with the dishonest husband or the husband was the father of the "whorechild" baby. That was pretty damn harsh.


amych - Sep 07, 2007 8:50:03 am PDT #493 of 11998
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think that Sal is aware of being gay, he just doesn't want to be. Or he doesn't want the life that being gay entails.

See, I think he has odd dreams, finds it totally reasonable as an artist to want to draw the handsome shirtless guy next door, thinks he hasn't found the right girl yet who would make him want a woman, and never got that lightning-bolt until Elliot brushed against hand and lingered there. The look across Sal's face for just a moment was desire and fear of being caught and also a good dose of just utter unexpected surprise.

(Incidentally, this is where I pour out many many praises for Brian Batt's acting in this role. Because, whoa.)

He'll go out to dinner and flirt, but he won't follow through with it because he wants to be successful, and he wants to make his mother happy. That means a wife and kids. I see him dating that poor girl from the switchboard and her wondering what's wrong with her because he never tries anything.

Poor switchboard girl! And I have a sad little gut-feeling that she'll be the way it all comes out in the office, when she says something along those lines to the other girls and it gets back to Joan.

I still don't see race (or religion) as the thing about which Don's passing. He's all about the class story, to me, now with added motivation to get away from the family that calls you whorechild.


Vortex - Sep 07, 2007 8:54:26 am PDT #494 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

In retrospect, I think that the family found Don and took him in, which is why he called himself Moses.


Liese S. - Sep 07, 2007 10:03:10 am PDT #495 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

There's just so much hate emanating there. I can't see what motivation they'd have to take him in as charity. Depending on when, I suppose. If they wanted labor.

But I tend toward the husband as the dad, with something happening to the mom, and the wife having to take him in, hating every breath of him as evidence of her husband's infidelity.

The reason I thought there was still space for the religion thing, was the husband's "We're not Christians here anymore" and the wife's pregnant pause before her rebuttal, when asked for charity.

I agree with amych on the status of Sal, and on the acting chops portraying him.


le nubian - Sep 07, 2007 10:46:42 am PDT #496 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I got the feeling from the flashback that neither the woman or the man in young Don's life was his biological parent. In fact, I got the sense that the family was a little like Sally Field's "Places in the Heart" where the woman's husband died a some point before and the man who was with her was a worker on her property.


amych - Sep 07, 2007 12:00:12 pm PDT #497 of 11998
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

But I tend toward the husband as the dad, with something happening to the mom, and the wife having to take him in, hating every breath of him as evidence of her husband's infidelity.

Yeah, something like this is what I'm guessing. I do think that the dishonest man is Dick's father (with what evidence? Dunno, gotta rewatch), but the whole family tree is something ugly and twisted.

The reason I thought there was still space for the religion thing, was the husband's "We're not Christians here anymore" and the wife's pregnant pause before her rebuttal, when asked for charity.

Oh, they've got issues upon issues there too, I think -- but no way is Don a crypto-Jew as I've seen speculated both here and elsewhere. I'd give odds that his people have never even seen a real live Jew before.