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Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


§ ita § - Mar 12, 2010 7:27:52 pm PST #4647 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They kept her angry while she was unjustly done by, and had Peter react with a similar (just more violent) anger. Any rescue that happened was more by Neal, and that was much later.

I have read comments about Kate being fridged, but I honestly dislike her so much that I'm relieved at the idea of her enforced absence next season, so I don't much care. Her character on the show was a bigger fail, IMO.


Cass - Mar 12, 2010 8:07:52 pm PST #4648 of 11999
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I want them to fridge the character of Kate. I wouldn't care if the character were Ken. It's a stupid character and I want that character gone bye-bye.

Or a time machine and written better.

But I'm realistic in my ... fiction?


smonster - Mar 13, 2010 12:23:21 am PST #4649 of 11999
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

El wasn't in physical peril, she stood up for herself, and what Neal did was couched as amends and a parting gift. No damsel, yo.

I came to WC fairly late in the season, so I didn't have the full Kate experience, but I had enough to be annoyed. If she's going to be no more than a cipher, well, she can do that dead.


amyth - Mar 13, 2010 3:48:39 am PST #4650 of 11999
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Just read the Christian Kane article.

If it wasn’t in my contract that [LEVERAGE executive producer] Dean [Devlin] had Eliot Spencer’s tear ducts sautered, I’d probably cry a little bit I’m so fortunate now.

sautered?

iF Magazine, I think you meant soldered. ::cringe::


Theodosia - Mar 13, 2010 3:49:17 am PST #4651 of 11999
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Maybe he meant sauteed?

::runs::


Calli - Mar 13, 2010 4:09:57 am PST #4652 of 11999
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Or sutured?


amyth - Mar 13, 2010 4:21:18 am PST #4653 of 11999
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Ha! Whatever's going on with Eliot's tear ducts, it sounds unpleasant.

Watching the WC finale again, because I can't help myself.

I don't think we're supposed to like Kate. It's canon that she's Neal's Achilles' heel. He may be smart, charming, lovely, can forge bonds and paintings, sculpt (half-naked, yay!), escape from a supermax prison, crack a safe, and so on, but Peter can always see through his lies, and he always makes stupid decisions when it comes to Kate.

Moz: "Happily ever after isn't for guys like us."

Peter: "You're fooling yourself if you think Kate's on your side." (Also Kate pulled a gun on Peter! Neal hates guns. That's a significant reveal, when they go to such great pains to show how much Neal hates guns and violence.)

Alex: "I hope that Kate's still the same girl you think she is."

El: "I think there's a difference between loving an idea of someone and actually loving who they really are."

What's interesting is that if she's actually dead, they've pretty much eliminated his main weakness, other than Peter.


Stephanie - Mar 13, 2010 4:21:28 am PST #4654 of 11999
Trust my rage

Yeah, i read Kate fridged comments but I just didn't care. In the pilot, which i rewatched yesterday, Neal talks convincingly about his love for Kate. Bt as the season went on, I felt like she did nothng to ever show that she still loved him and thus Neal's devotion to her got both annoying and stupid. I suppose she was his blindspot.

As to the LJ post linked to above, I get the "no stupid lies/misunderstandings" thing. This is one of the reasons I dislike so many sitcoms-they are based on stupid misunderstandings.

But I do think the writer might be right about the no lies thing. I say this because I saw a copy of a script page in which Neal misleads Peter with the truth. There was a not on the script about checking to make sure Neal wasn't lying and the way it was written made me think that they have written on the wall intheir writer's room a giant "Neal never lies to Peter."


§ ita § - Mar 13, 2010 4:39:51 am PST #4655 of 11999
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Just off the top of my head, Neal said he was going to a champagne brunch of Junes's. He lies to Peter.


amyth - Mar 13, 2010 4:51:34 am PST #4656 of 11999
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Another: Neal lied and said that he forgot he wasn't wearing the anklet and went home in Front Man.

I guess since Neal never really gets away with anything major with Peter, that all the lies Neal tells him seem inconsequential to the plot. But he lies a lot.