I've seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars.

Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


brenda m - Aug 17, 2007 3:36:40 pm PDT #329 of 11998
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Do we have any reason to think there was a real Don Draper?

I wish I hadn't just deleted them all because I've never actually watched the title sequence. Next ep for sure.


sumi - Aug 17, 2007 4:14:23 pm PDT #330 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

The actual purple heart?


brenda m - Aug 17, 2007 4:25:05 pm PDT #331 of 11998
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

That couldn't have been Whitman's, or whatever his original name was? If there was a name on it I couldn't see it that closely.

ETA: I mean, it makes sense that there could have been. But I didn't notice anything that pointed one way or another.


sumi - Aug 17, 2007 4:41:35 pm PDT #332 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Donald Francis Draper


brenda m - Aug 17, 2007 4:45:35 pm PDT #333 of 11998
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Ah. Okay then.


Liese S. - Aug 17, 2007 6:02:21 pm PDT #334 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

And the title sequence is just a falling silhouette. Just as it's getting close to your POV, it morphs into a silhouetted figure sitting casually with a smoke and a drink.


Jessica - Aug 18, 2007 11:08:41 am PDT #335 of 11998
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

The most convincing theory I've heard is that Draper is Jewish.

This show does POV very well -- every time I think it's buying into the stereotypes and prejudices of the world it takes place in, the POV shifts and I change my mind.

VK & his wife are so freaking dysfunctional, I just love them.


le nubian - Aug 18, 2007 11:31:43 am PDT #336 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I thought Draper was Jewish earlier, but I'm not so sure I think he is Jewish now. It seems like it might be too obvious and his reaction to the office antisemitism was a bit too light unlike his reaction to his visitor last episode.

His home life sounds bad enough that it could be enough he wanted/needed to run away from that.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2007 12:39:22 pm PDT #337 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The most convincing theory I've heard is that Draper is Jewish.

Whitman isn't a particularly Jewish name. Although his mother could have been Jewish, I suppose.

I don't know that there had to be any grand identity stealing scheme. The culture wasn't nearly so identity conscious, so there are plenty of places where he could have just said "hello, my name is Don Draper" and there wouldn't have been any issue with proving who he was.


Liese S. - Aug 18, 2007 1:12:31 pm PDT #338 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I would have to rewatch, but I could definitely see his reaction to office antisemitism playing light.

I can specifically remember incidents of anti-Japanese racism in the office where I played it off, when I was standing right there (I was working for a Japanese company, but I didn't count as Japanese because I spoke English, and you know, was from Ohio.). And I wasn't even trying to pass as not Japanese. Your upbringing doesn't always train you for how to directly and politely address racism when you encounter it. Sometimes you just let it slide, because you are tired of kicking up a fuss. I could definitely see Don just letting it sit lightly, even if that were his position and background.