Death is your art. You make it with your hands day after day. That final gasp, that look of peace. And part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. She really wanted it. Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Jon B. - Sep 07, 2009 7:40:54 am PDT #3061 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The draft ended in 1973, so Bobby would have to be at least 8.


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 7:42:12 am PDT #3062 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

Let's see... Betty was 28 at the outset of S1 and I THINK that Sally was six and Bobby... four? Maybe five? So that would make Bobby now about seven and Sally nine or so.

So if Bobby did go to Vietnam, it would be at the very tail end, but that's cutting it close.


le nubian - Sep 07, 2009 7:52:31 am PDT #3063 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

he seems too young acting to be 8. but I could be wrong. I thought he would miss the Vietnam War unless he volunteers for it.


amych - Sep 07, 2009 8:26:54 am PDT #3064 of 11998
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Bobby is 5 and Sally is 8 (umm... someone said it earlier this season, but I'm not curled up at home on my comfy couch with all my Mad Men eps because some assholes got me stuck working on a holiday totally unnecessarily, which is another story for another place, but anyway.)


DavidS - Sep 07, 2009 8:30:57 am PDT #3065 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Bobby will be too young to go to Vietnam. I don't think they'll pursue that angle.

But Sally's definitely being set up to be the rebellious hippie era teen.


le nubian - Sep 07, 2009 8:43:54 am PDT #3066 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

...let the sunshine in


Barb - Sep 07, 2009 8:46:55 am PDT #3067 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

But Sally's definitely being set up to be the rebellious hippie era teen.

That's actually kind of a disappointment if only because it seems so predictable. I think the way they handled this whole Sally/Grandpa Gene story has been a bit heavier on the cliché which is unexpected from Weiner & Co.


DavidS - Sep 07, 2009 8:51:50 am PDT #3068 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I wonder if she'll run away to California.

Worked for her dad.

Can I note once again the pleasure I take in the many faceted relationship of Joan and Peggy?

In her own mildly resentful, alpha bitch way Joan does keep trying to help Peggy. Somewhere down the line I hope Peggy will step up for Joan.

Similarly, I love how Don is giving Sal the same kind of opportunities he gave Peggy. He knows Sal is talented, and he knows that illustration and storyboarding are losing ground so he helps him transition to commercial directing.


DavidS - Sep 07, 2009 8:53:16 am PDT #3069 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think the way they handled this whole Sally/Grandpa Gene story has been a bit heavier on the cliché which is unexpected from Weiner & Co.

I'm surprised they cut it short. And I think the cliche would've been more that he was abusive to her. I'm not sure what the after effects are going to be on Sally.


le nubian - Sep 07, 2009 8:55:47 am PDT #3070 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I hope Peggy will step up for Joan.

I agree. Joan is considerably more with it than 75% of the people working for Sterling Cooper. And she apparently is a great ant killer.