Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right, we'd be in jail.

Wash ,'Serenity'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Jesse - Oct 28, 2008 2:32:31 pm PDT #1843 of 11998
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Just a small note, but did anyone else remember that Pete got that gun by trading in the chip-and-dip they got as a wedding present? I saw it noted elsewhere.


quester - Oct 28, 2008 2:38:27 pm PDT #1844 of 11998
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

One thing that hasn't been commented on, but I got a kick out of, was the 4 muskateers of creative traveling in a paranoid, bumbling pack throughout the episode.


SailAweigh - Oct 28, 2008 2:49:34 pm PDT #1845 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Pete got that gun by trading in the chip-and-dip

I'd forgotten that! But that last shot of Pete, if it had been the chip-and-dip set? I would have been really worried that he was going to jump out the window.


Liese S. - Oct 28, 2008 6:38:11 pm PDT #1846 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

remember that Pete got that gun by trading in the chip-and-dip they got as a wedding present

Continuity, o how I love thee.

It's an interesting question between identity and facade. Who am I versus who I present as? Self and avatar. What are my actual problems versus my perceived problems?

It's not actually Don's infidelity that tips Betty over the edge, is it? She'd known about his infidelity before. It's when his infidelity becomes apparent as public knowledge, as brutally revealed by Jimmy. Thus, when Don is not adequately keeping up his public role as husband and father.

That makes her more like Trudy than I'd thought until it was mentioned upthread. And Trudy is okay with Pete right now because where he strays from her planned role for him is not public yet.


Jon B. - Oct 29, 2008 2:47:51 am PDT #1847 of 11998
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

The Don Draper Guide to Picking Up Women: [link]


lisah - Oct 29, 2008 5:11:23 am PDT #1848 of 11998
Punishingly Intricate

It's when his infidelity becomes apparent as public knowledge, as brutally revealed by Jimmy.

Also, that even after that happened Don would not admit what he'd done. If he'd owned up to it right away I think things would have gone differently. And he still hasn't admitted it really. Just said that he didn't treat Betty as respectfully as he should have.


Vortex - Oct 29, 2008 5:19:36 am PDT #1849 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Was that Don not admitting it or was that the era's manner of talking about matters like that? We know that Jimmy was obnoxious and overly forward, so I don't think that it was odd that he said it, but perhaps you just didn't say that sort of thing in polite company.


lisah - Oct 29, 2008 5:32:21 am PDT #1850 of 11998
Punishingly Intricate

We know that Jimmy was obnoxious and overly forward, so I don't think that it was odd that he said it, but perhaps you just didn't say that sort of thing in polite company.

Well, Betty asked Don straight out (or accused him I don't remember) if he'd slept with Bobbi and he could have been a man and said he did. I think it's telling that he didn't. And that she accepted his pale apology. It doesn't bode well for them.


DavidS - Oct 29, 2008 7:35:52 am PDT #1851 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

and he could have been a man and said he did.

Well, but the kind of man Don is, is a complete fabrication. He lies every day in every way. Getting caught in a lie is not something he can admit to. That's why Betty was going nuts trying to find evidence.

Betty was also upset with who Don had an affair with. An older woman. A woman she perceived as vulgar.


Liese S. - Oct 29, 2008 8:11:40 am PDT #1852 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Would she have been happier knowing about Rachel? Or Midge? All those women are people that Betty would not have approved of. Not that she'd have approved of anyone, but you know there's a particular sting there when the women your husband has been philandering with are so utterly different from you.

In answer to your earlier question, I doubt they'll still be together in a decade. I agree that the weak apology does not bode well. Although I think it's telling that Betty answers the way she does. "At least I know I'm not going crazy." It must have seemed like she was. Don never thinks about what the results of his deception are for other people. Which is the point of deception, I suppose.

But I think Don doesn't see a distinction in his lies. His whole world is a lie to Betty, so what's one more? And if he admits to that, then does he admit to everything else? It's too much right now, his hold too tenuous, so I think he won't. But he should come clean. And I don't know what Betty would do if he did. She might walk.