But that's just my point! You she obeys! She obeys you! There's obeying going on right under my nose!

Wash ,'War Stories'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Sophia Brooks - Oct 27, 2008 5:13:48 pm PDT #1830 of 11998
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Midge! I could not remember her name! Although Peggy looks more and more like her.


Hayden - Oct 27, 2008 7:49:23 pm PDT #1831 of 11998
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I think I finally understood Pete's growth with his pointed comment about making the Soviets back down. It didn't seem out of character, and it seemed remarkably perceptive for a guy who used to be completely unable to read a room.


Liese S. - Oct 27, 2008 8:07:45 pm PDT #1832 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

On a completely shallow note, I loved a couple of Peggy's outfits this episode, so yay for sartorial character growth, too.


SailAweigh - Oct 28, 2008 4:23:15 am PDT #1833 of 11998
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Oh, yes. The last few episodes she's had some knockout dresses. I particularly like the one she wore in the finale.


Liese S. - Oct 28, 2008 9:03:00 am PDT #1834 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

And in other shallow news, I was watching Chuck last night and thinking to myself how completely hot Captain Awesome looks in Mad Men genre.

Now, back to the characterizations. One of the things that I saw that I liked in those interviews was that he said you get out of the show what you bring to it. I was thinking about that and I realized that may be why the show seems to be all about the women to me. It's because I'm thinking about the women.

I still think we're on about Trudy acting out a role. Her little creased brow kiss was her playing a part. She only has to revise her identity periodically to keep up with the external world. But she does it less than she needs to. Very little intrudes on the world she's built in her mind.


Wolfram - Oct 28, 2008 11:52:22 am PDT #1835 of 11998
Visilurking

I still think we're on about Trudy acting out a role.

I never thought about it that way before, but it makes perfect sense why she and Pete got together. Pete was also about trying to do what others expected, what's appropriate. His behavior never seemed natural. He and Trudy were stage-acting - two children paying dress-up with their respective Daddies' monies.

Maybe when Pete's Dad dies, penniless as it turns out, Pete starts to realize he's not just someone else's idea of a son/husband/accounts executive, but a thinking, feeling human being. He seems more comfortable in his own skin, and this reflects as success in his professional life.


Vortex - Oct 28, 2008 11:55:27 am PDT #1836 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Pete starts to realize he's not just someone else's idea of a son/husband/accounts executive, but a thinking, feeling human being. He seems more comfortable in his own skin, and this reflects as success in his professional life.

also, I think that he begins to see the fallacy of a facade that everyone expects. His dad had that, and his mom is now penniless.


Barb - Oct 28, 2008 12:07:14 pm PDT #1837 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

I think that he begins to see the fallacy of a facade that everyone expects.

Which, oddly, brings to mind Joan.


Vortex - Oct 28, 2008 12:18:14 pm PDT #1838 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Pete thinks less of his father now, although it may have made him rethink why his dad didn't want to give him the money for the apartment.


DavidS - Oct 28, 2008 1:04:11 pm PDT #1839 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The central preoccupation of the show is that everybody is playing a role. Dick Whitman plays Don Draper. Peggy plays a chaste, good Catholic working girl. Betty plays the perfect housewife. Sal plays a heterosexual. Joan plays a sex bomb.

Which is why the show is such an interesting examination of the American myth of reinventing the self. If you can make yourself into anything, then who are you? And how do you reconcile your desires and your history with your facade? It's why advertising is such a perfect backdrop for the show. It appears to be all surface and shallow, but in reality it works because it plays off desire.