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DavidS - Oct 24, 2008 11:21:15 am PDT #1702 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think it was more motivated by "I'd better do what Joan told me to do and make myself available to this man or else I'm going to get fired." than it was desire and attraction.

Except then she goes and sleeps with Pete right away. So I think she's actually out of her rigid, Catholic home and eager to explore her freedom and sexuality. She didn't really know what she was going to do with those choices, but sleeping with Don would've been an adventure.

Any guesses on what will happen next week? I'm willing to be surprised by the story, but I think I'm most curious to see whether Joan will go ahead and marry or break it off.

I have no idea what Don's going to do, but that's part of his nature.


Aims - Oct 24, 2008 11:25:37 am PDT #1703 of 11998
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Except then she goes and sleeps with Pete right away.

That I think was more about desire and all you point out than her hitting on Don was. I certainly don't think she's a church mouse through and through, but I am interested to see the battle within her that takes her from frightened and not altogether confident and trying to sleep with the boss to confident enough to ask Roger for the empty office and joke with Pete about sleeping with Don.

I'd like to see Joan confide in Roger and Roger going over to the hospital and giving Dr Assmunch the watfor.


DavidS - Oct 24, 2008 12:20:50 pm PDT #1704 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'd like to see Joan confide in Roger and Roger going over to the hospital and giving Dr Assmunch the watfor.

Yeah and I wanted Tony Soprano to beat Melfi's rapist to a pulp. But it didn't happen.

I don't think we'll be doled out that satisfaction in this show.


sumi - Oct 24, 2008 12:23:39 pm PDT #1705 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Well, even if that was likely to be Roger's reaction - would heart-attacky Roger really beat up young surgeon asshat?

Wouldn't he be more likely to have a heart attack?

Luckily asshat is a thoracic surgeon.


erikaj - Oct 24, 2008 12:27:24 pm PDT #1706 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

I still want to see that!(But we didn't because Melfi objected. Do you think Joan would feel the same, you meta San Francisco motherfucker?) Well, I hope Joan gets some kind of payback in any case. I do get where you're going with the expectations deferred or denied, though. ETA: I think having a man fight for her would get Joan hot. I don't think she'd be thinking about the lawlessness of society like Dr.M. ETA2: Unless she doesn't want to cut through the denial.


DavidS - Oct 24, 2008 1:16:53 pm PDT #1707 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Unless she doesn't want to cut through the denial.

This is the key, I think. That's why I'm curious about whether she'll go through with the wedding.

Because while it was a rape, and while she did feel completely violated I'm pretty sure that Joan doesn't consider it a rape. Legally back then it was considered impossible for a husband to rape his wife. And I think she's already extended that mindset to her fiance.

But I also think that all of the events of Joan's arc this season will serve to radicalize her later on. But not this year.


DavidS - Oct 24, 2008 2:01:37 pm PDT #1708 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Going back to the Jet Set episode, I wanted to mention these connections:

The Civil Rights protests are happening in Oxford, Mississippi.

Faulkner is from Oxford, MS.

In the movie Breathless (set in the same era), Jean Paul Belmondo and Jean Seberg lie around in bad after sex and talk about Faulkner.

Also, Jane references Through the Lookin Glass and (a) Don passes out at the Palm Beach house in a ref to multiple "was it a dream" fantasies, and (b) he's presented as the mirror image of the logo with that last shot.


-t - Oct 24, 2008 2:10:47 pm PDT #1709 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Back when Joan was breaking off her affair with Roger, didn't she say something about her goal always having been marriage and he couldn't give her that so she needed to move on? Couple that with her ticking off Dr. Fiance's virtues to Peggy, she's not calling off the wedding, however much I want her to.

Heh. Alice Cooper is the best baby sitter ever. That's just charming.


DavidS - Oct 24, 2008 2:15:48 pm PDT #1710 of 11998
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The actor who played Christian in Jet Set (the one who arrived with his kids at Palm Beach) is Rudolf Martin. The actor who played Dracula on BtVS.


Jessica - Oct 24, 2008 2:47:22 pm PDT #1711 of 11998
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

and I wanted Tony Soprano to beat Melfi's rapist to a pulp. But it didn't happen.

This. And somehow, if it had, I would have been disappointed in that too, because it was Not That Show.

Joan won't call off the wedding. I hate that she won't, but she's not that woman, and this is not that show.