Oh, then we're saying the same thing. Apologies! Bad allergies today and brain working poorly.

I should have stuck with the short version, "Harry is an oblivious asshat."

I hear you on the allergies, though - I think my nose may have to come off. I can live without a sense of smell.

I think Harry may be one of the least-noxious characters on the show, but yes: oblivious.

I think my nose may have to come off

I'm wondering if one can have a sinusectomy and live. I mean, it can't be worse than living with them, right?

Thing is, I think it would almost have been beyond the pale for Harry to have been reasonable and seen the light where Joan was concerned. From what I can tell, Kenny's the most enlightened one of the younger guys, in terms of seeing a woman's worth & potential as a workmate. After all, he's been the one most willing to directly work with/champion Peggy as a copywriter. (While still retaining the asshattiness that the men on the show regularly exhibit.)

Now, what would be interesting, is if Paul somehow catches wind of Joan's contribution and what his reaction would be. After all, he's the one who fancies himself the enlightened man of the office.

I should have stuck with the short version, "Harry is an oblivious asshat."

I think that asshat is way too strong. He was very clearly grateful to Joan for helping, thanked her several times. He just never realized that she liked what she was doing, he just thought that she was filling in until he found someone.

He annoys the crap out of me. He gives off this vibe of entitlement that just makes me want to smack him.

He gives off this vibe of entitlement that just makes me want to smack him.

Unlike...Roger? Pete? Any other white guy on the show?

With regards to his work, yes. He wanted to be Head of Television so he could have lunch with his TV buddies, and when he discovered he might actually have to work in the position he created and demanded a raise for, he whined until he got Roger to hire someone to do the work for him.

Pete is at least willing to try. He goes to meetings he doesn't want to go to and he does his best to win business for the company. His entitlement issues come out in his relationships, not so much in the workplace.

He annoys the crap out of me. He gives off this vibe of entitlement that just makes me want to smack him.

He's one of the characters that I'd love to know exactly what happened in the fourteen months between the seasons-- because to go from having cheated on his wife to still together and expecting a baby is probably the largest jump any character made in that time period. All of a sudden, especially with the promotion/creation of the head of television, he's moved away from the Kenny/Paul/Pete group and closer to the strata of Roger/Don/Duck. Caught between two worlds, as it were.

Huh.

I don't really see Harry that way. (eta: err, to Jessica, not Barb. I agree with Barb.) I read the work overload as him being overwhelmed by the role, but because the firm doesn't acknowledge the scope of television.

The episode where he becomes Head of Television, wasn't that pushed partially by his wife, by him trying to stand up for himself amongst the herd? Which is a sentiment that I can appreciate, and I like that he's seeing where things are going.

I definitely read his interaction with Joan as obliviousness, not as trying to run over her. And Joan never did assert her interest in the position verbally.

Which reminds me, about the secretaries...how does a secretarial pool work? I know the bigwigs each have their own, but the rest--do they belong to the departments? How does their work get managed? Does anybody who needs anything go to Joan and then Joan assigns it out? Or does a secretary just do whatever when someone grabs her by the arm and demands it of her?