Yeah, you can probably number me among the "didn't get it" crowd.

So I rewatched last night, and it was painful. In the best possible narrative way. I love that I have this group to hash it out with, because I get so much more out of it. Looking for the themes, thinking about the nuances.

One of the awful moments was Betty's resigned, "I didn't know," in response to Don's "It's desperate." I hate that women were made to feel this way.

I have more I'm thinking about regarding their relationship, but I can't quite articulate it yet.

Also, at first, I thought the hair of Pete's new fling was out of era. It looked eighties to me somehow. But later it wasn't so bad.

My, my, my... meow

Joan's going to have her hands full with Jane for a bit, but I suspect Jane's still an amateur at this game.

Do you think Jane knew Sterling would help her?

And the Drapers just walking away from their trash! I remember that world.

I suspect Jane knew exactly what she was doing. She's issuing a challenge to how Joan sees herself and her place in the office.

And the Drapers just walking away from their trash! I remember that world.

Well, of course, interspersed with Don being so concerned with keeping the car clean. A little bit 2x4, but still effective.

ETA: And now, ironic.

Oh, that was funny! Betty ralphing in the car! Poor Betty!

Okay, now how terrified did Jane look, too? She has that paranoid expression where she's being circled by seagulls and she's not sure when and and she's not sure where, but that definitely... a bomb's a gonna drop.

Man, I cannot wait for Joan to kick Jane's ass. Jane lies so much that Joan is gonna catch her.

Jane does look terrified. I don't think she's got the jewels for this game.

Thing is, I think Joan, in her own way, has a certain standard of behavior and... I dunno a moral code, or perhaps sense of propriety is the better way to term it. There are acceptable standards of behavior and there are things that are simply not done. She's a mirror image of Don in that she's rapidly becoming an anachronistic symbol of an era that's disappearing.

Man, I cannot wait for Joan to kick Jane's ass.

me either. I think that Jane knew exactly what she was doing when she went to Roger. The mistake she made was thinking that Roger would actually have her back. He may even have intended to talk to Joan, but he's Roger.

She's a mirror image of Don in that she's rapidly becoming an anachronistic symbol of an era that's disappearing.

I think Don is clearly this - but mostly because he is trapped by his own past. I think Joan's status is mostly hurt by her impending marriage. Jane could be more of a clear threat to Joan if she were more subtle and a whole lot more savvy. Jane's shit is not tight and she will therefore get tossed.

Joan already has/had Peggy not listening to her and perhaps now Jane, but Peggy is a whole lot smarter than Jane. Jane doesn't seem to want to play by ANY rules. Did you hear her say "why didn't we steal the painting?" WTF? She is a bad bad girl - and not in a good way.