Saffron: But we've been wed. Aren't we to become one flesh? Mal: Well, no, uh... We're still two fleshes here, and I think that your flesh ought to sleep somewhere else.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Fred Pete - Aug 19, 2008 6:40:15 am PDT #1180 of 11998
Ann, that's a ferret.

Also increased educational opportunities for women. A woman with a college education isn't going to use most of it in the day-to-day routine of childcare, cleaning, and running errands.

I'm relying heavily on David Reisman's The Lonely Crowd. He talks about doing door-to-door surveys -- middle class women were the most likely to cooperate because they were starved for intelligent conversation with an adult.

On a more personal level (and my upbringing was rural blue collar), I remember a fair number of afternoon gatherings in the neighborhood when I was a kid. A group of women would meet at the home of one. The women would sit in the kitchen or the living room and chat about -- well, I was too young to pay much attention. The kids were turned loose to play, and we were expected not to bother our mothers without good reason.


Liese S. - Aug 19, 2008 7:58:26 am PDT #1181 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, they used to show more of the neighborhood socialization, with Francine, and with the shunning of the divorcee. It seems like there would be more of that going on. Socializing, not shunning, I mean.

I wish we were seeing a happily married couple, though. A well-adjusted adult. Was everybody really so miserable all the time, with only flashes of laughter to ameliorate the grimness?

Did Betty ever stop with the tremors and stuff? Was psychoanalysis enough for that, and it wasn't anything else?

It's such an interesting conversation, difficult as it is. Peggy's sister & Peggy have chosen disparate paths, and Peggy's denial means that Peggy's sister is subsidizing Peggy's choice, whether or not she wants to.


sumi - Aug 19, 2008 8:06:05 am PDT #1182 of 11998
Art Crawl!!!

Exactly. It's just so messy and complicated.


Hayden - Aug 19, 2008 8:15:06 am PDT #1183 of 11998
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

They're getting pretty close to making Betty completely unlikeable.

Pretty close? Man, I think just about everyone other than Harry is completely unlikeable. What's amazing about the show is that it makes all of these characters who are utterly appalling 85% of the time so damn compelling.


megan walker - Aug 19, 2008 8:20:56 am PDT #1184 of 11998
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

What's amazing about the show is that it makes all of these characters who are utterly appalling 85% of the time so damn compelling.

Seriously, you'd think it was HBO.


Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 8:22:36 am PDT #1185 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

It's interesting. I wouldn't like Betty or want to be friends with her, but in my mind, she isn't a bad person. In the sense that she hasn't done anything reprehensible, while most of the other characters have. She's sometimes not very bright, and her insecurities lead her into stupid situations, but not a bad person.

Also, why does every married man cheat on his wife. I can't recall seeing a situation where a married man has the opportunity to to cheat, yet chooses not to.


megan walker - Aug 19, 2008 8:27:02 am PDT #1186 of 11998
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Also, why does every married man cheat on his wife. I can't recall seeing a situation where a married man has the opportunity to to cheat, yet chooses not to.

Same reason everyone smokes? Even at the height of its popularity, I'm pretty sure smoking levels never went over 50% of adults.


Barb - Aug 19, 2008 8:33:12 am PDT #1187 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

Was everybody really so miserable all the time, with only flashes of laughter to ameliorate the grimness?

I think that's the beauty of having set it against the backdrop of an advertising agency--that veneer of pretty they worked so hard to sell being the complete antithesis of what "real life" was like.

Fuels the cynicism-- I think it's part of what made that dinner scene with the couple who owned the peanut company so heartbreaking. They were, while a successful well-off couple, too normal to fit into New York. (Weren't they from Pittsburgh?)


Vortex - Aug 19, 2008 8:34:14 am PDT #1188 of 11998
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The Utz people?


Barb - Aug 19, 2008 8:35:55 am PDT #1189 of 11998
“Not dead yet!”

Yeah, them. Where the Lenny Bruce-like comic called the wife a Hindenburg.