There was not much Joan, it's true, but I really liked it. Very dreamlike.

That was the most boring episode of Mad Men.

Oh, good, so it wasn't just me.

I was not bored by it, I liked the episode, but I thought they hit us over the head a bit too much. I could have stood for less "this is the theme!" indicators throughout.

For example, did they really have to kill the shoe shine man? Did we have to see Don asking the man what he saw when he died?

There was not much Joan, it's true, but I really liked it. Very dreamlike.

There was some interesting bits, but not nearly enough for a two hour premiere. The part where Megan talks about her character pushing someone down the stairs combined with her fan interaction earlier in the episode, made me think about stories I read from soap actresses of the time and how they would be yelled and screamed at on the streets of New York when their characters would do something evil. I wonder if that is going to be followed through on.

stories I read from soap actresses of the time and how they would be yelled and screamed at on the streets of New York when their characters would do something evil

I don't know if "of the time" is required here. Ask the guy playing Joffrey what complete strangers are like.

It reminded me of the Sopranos episode where Tony was Tim Finity. I like that sort of thing.

I don't know if "of the time" is required here. Ask the guy playing Joffrey what complete strangers are like.

True. But would it have been a new phenomenon of the time, with more and more people having TVs and soaps becoming a little edgier? I think soap actors my have experienced this phenomenon more often with it being on 5 days a week.

As to this being a boring episode - doesn't Madmen always start out slow?

As to this being a boring episode - doesn't Madmen always start out slow?

Yes, but I always complain about it anyway.

I really liked it.

"What the hell, Betty?!" Indeed. Though I do remember collections of one-panel comics from the pre-feminist era and how casually they treated rape as a punchline. (One I remember: Busty woman comes back to office with her clothes all disheveled and dazed. Quote: "Is it rape if I liked it?" Creepy! But not uncommon.) Betty was just being spicy. And insane.

But still, it was the best arc Betty's character has had in a while. And while I didn't think the brunette was particularly flattering, at least she's changing something.

I was also reminded of all those Ross MacDonald mysteries about finding runaway family members. Such a big anxiety in the sixties.

Kiernan's voice has dropped so much she sounded like Chloe Sevigny!

Loved the odd detail that Stan and Peggy are now good friends that stay in touch. They earned it in the trenches, and the most sexist asshole ever has more than a little respect and affection for her.

He also got my biggest laugh.

Don: Did you see death in this picture?
Stan: That's why I thought it was so great!

Peggy was a BOSS. Literally. But her sharp tongued excision of her underlings was so on point and well said. She's just on top of her shit. And Ted knows it. Which is cool.

The whole thing with the lighter - that goes way back to Dick becoming Don. I think Don felt like he was stealing that guy's life when he saw he had his lighter.

Another callback with the vacation slide show - going back to Don's first great pitch (that we see) on the show.

First Rory Gilmore and now Lindsey Weir. Mad Men's just going to go rummaging through our pop cultural souls for cheap thrills.

Wasn't the least bit surprised that Don was cheating. Like Roger, and Betty, he wants to change but he doesn't know how. He's the only one who didn't change their hair as 1968 dawns.

I was there, man! Even military guys were growing sideburns.

I love Roger's scenes with his ex-wife, Mona. (Played by John Slattery's real wife.) A lot of parallels with Pete for Roger here. No matter what he has (or doesn't have) he feels empty.

Callback also to Don tricking Roger into puking all over the office back in S1.