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'Out Of Gas'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


askye - Apr 03, 2013 12:24:53 pm PDT #20471 of 23273
Thrive to spite them

bon bon did the writer say how much of the competition is scripted?


Amy - Apr 03, 2013 12:38:09 pm PDT #20472 of 23273
Because books.

I mean, she is blind, just wasn't the best chef in the competition.

Seriously? What the fuck is that? Just ... good TV?


bon bon - Apr 03, 2013 12:45:58 pm PDT #20473 of 23273
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I didn't get specific details-- I didn't want to get him in trouble/buttonhole him. He did say that the second place woman (forget name) was the real deal. Top Chef, as I understand it, is more true to life but Master Chef results sounded pretty manipulated.


Amy - Apr 03, 2013 12:49:01 pm PDT #20474 of 23273
Because books.

That's disappointing. I thought I was already cynical enough, but I guess not.


brenda m - Apr 03, 2013 12:57:14 pm PDT #20475 of 23273
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Meaning they gave her the win over a better dish from the second place finisher at the final, or thumb on the scales throughout, or it was BS from the get go? Those are pretty different.


bon bon - Apr 03, 2013 1:03:34 pm PDT #20476 of 23273
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Probably the second.


kat perez - Apr 04, 2013 12:26:01 pm PDT #20477 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I am cynical about how much "reality" is in reality TV. Anything after the very first Real World, I just assume that there is a lot of producer manipulation going on. Especially on the judged competition shows. Maybe it's just from years of watching the SiNi overtly pull the puppet strings on AI and later on SYTYCD, but I always figure that the producers are heavily scripting what judges say and have final sign off on any decisions affecting who stays and who goes. I'd be shocked if I ever found out one of these shows wasn't chock full of producer manipulation to keep their favorite storylines and characters on screen. It's a TV show and they need eyes on the screen, so they want to keep what sells.


Amy - Apr 04, 2013 12:29:22 pm PDT #20478 of 23273
Because books.

Anything after the very first Real World

I watched that in real time when it aired, and it really was new and fascinating. Good times.


msbelle - Apr 04, 2013 12:40:09 pm PDT #20479 of 23273
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I'd add the first Survivor and Big Brother to the list, but yeah - not much reality in Reality


kat perez - Apr 04, 2013 12:42:29 pm PDT #20480 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

It really was just a whole new, amazing thing. And I'm sure they did just as much sculpting of the story back then as they do today, but everyone on the show just seemed so completely . . . authentic, no? Not playing a type or playing to the cameras. I mean, you had Andre on who basically didn't do anything for the entire season and Norman who was the lowest key dude in creation. And people like them would never even make it past the first round of casting these days. And the things that happened to them just were an outgrowth of how they were actually living and when they fought it seemed organic and just yeah. I loved that show so, so much, but then it was all fouled up by the very next season and everyone in the LA cast except for maybe Irene just seemed so aware that they were on TV and so eager to play their assigned role. And then SF brought us Puck and it was all downhill from there. Sigh. I miss that first NYC Real World season.

But as far as competition reality shows, I've never thought there was very much real about them. I mean, I grew up with Star Search and that show makes AI look like a paragon of virtue. To this day, I don't actually know how the scoring process worked. I do know that the acting category was the most consistently ridiculous. That was the time to go get your ice cream, I'll tell you what.