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Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


kat perez - Aug 19, 2011 11:00:57 am PDT #17982 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

( continues...) Duh.

I was on the fence about Mitchell, whom I adore, but there have been far better contempo boys. He's not All Star quality. Same thing with Tadd. He has been great, but there have been better dancers in his style in previous seasons. I was also on the fence about Ivetta. Great ballroom dancer, but she looks, quite frankly, too old. It would be like looking at the contestants dancing with their teacher.

I hated the All Star concept when it was first introduced and I still do, but if we have to have it (which it appears that we do) then these are the folks I'd like to see.


Liese S. - Aug 19, 2011 11:11:54 am PDT #17983 of 23273
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I do have to say that this variant of the all-star thing worked much better than last year's, and I think it'll work better with the all stars' schedules, too. More logistics on the show's part, I suppose, but let me cry a little for their pain.

I'm glad they dropped the farce of drawing from a hat, but I wish that they'd (producers they) worked in a much higher challenge level with this season's kids. I realize this is an all-contemporary, all-the-time show in their heads, but we the viewers don't want it to be. The appeal is the variety, and they need to shake it down. I wish they'd stretch the dancers even more and include stuff like tap and ballet for the non-specialists. I know that you can't learn technique like that so quickly, and maybe that's just asking for more injuries, but it would shake out the chaff right quick.


bon bon - Aug 19, 2011 11:27:15 am PDT #17984 of 23273
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

but I wish that they'd (producers they) worked in a much higher challenge level with this season's kids.

I dunno. You know what else was different this season? Lack of career-threatening injury! I strongly think this was due to the choreo.


sumi - Aug 19, 2011 12:28:42 pm PDT #17985 of 23273
Art Crawl!!!

Magical Elves is producing a show (for Bravo) about the lives of six gallery girls. They are still looking for the 6th girl.


Amy - Aug 19, 2011 12:36:09 pm PDT #17986 of 23273
Because books.

I'd actually like to see Work of Art again. I liked that way more than I thought I would.

Lack of career-threatening injury!

I hadn't even thought about that. Definitely a good thing.


megan walker - Aug 19, 2011 1:28:32 pm PDT #17987 of 23273
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I'd actually like to see Work of Art again. I liked that way more than I thought I would.

Me too!


Liese S. - Aug 19, 2011 2:10:19 pm PDT #17988 of 23273
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I dunno. You know what else was different this season? Lack of career-threatening injury! I strongly think this was due to the choreo.

Good point.

And maybe that's why we were complaining about lackluster choreo all season. Maybe behind the scenes there was a corporate culture trying to eradicate the Alex Wong problem. Which I am okay with, since I am still not okay with Alex Wong's injury.


Sue - Aug 19, 2011 2:14:25 pm PDT #17989 of 23273
hip deep in pie

He's a choreographer (I think) on SYTYCD Canada

And judge!


Jesse - Aug 19, 2011 2:51:03 pm PDT #17990 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I dunno. You know what else was different this season? Lack of career-threatening injury! I strongly think this was due to the choreo.

Truth. Last season, it felt like they were choreographing to push the All-Stars, which pushed the regular kids right off their feet in many cases. I hope they find a middle ground where it's exciting to watch, but not because it's impossible to actually do.


kat perez - Aug 19, 2011 2:52:35 pm PDT #17991 of 23273
"We have trust issues." Mylar

I do think Nakul pushed too far in the routine that got Alex sent home with all those crazy leaps in second, but overall I don't think the kids get hurt because the choreographers ask the them to do too much in any one routine. The kids really start getting injured when it gets down into it and they are being asked to do two routines a week (or more) plus group routines and prep a solo just in case they wind up in B3. And dancing the same routines a million times a week on tour or on Broadway is not the same as learning and dancing new routines each week often in styles you are not familiar with which ask your body to move in ways that don't feel natural. I think that more than choreographers making routines too hard, there's just too much darn dancing on this dance show. Of course, I guess I have to blame myself for that because I want these kids to dance, dance, dance. I feel like the dancing demon in OM,WF now. Tragic!

And this year, I didn't find the choreography substantially less difficult than in year's past (at least from a technical standpoint). It was just worse. Kind of uninspired and a retread from a lot of the veteran choreographers of better routines we've seen from them in the past. (I'm looking at you, Sonya! No more woman-on-shoulder-legs bent lifts. Please let it go)