Two steaming cups of chocolate goodness. Courtesy of whomever I swiped it from out of the cupboard.

Ben ,'The Killer In Me'


Non-Fiction TV: I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

This thread is for non-fiction TV, including but not limited to reality television (So You Think You Can Dance, Top Chef: Masters, Project Runway), documentaries (The History Channel, The Discovery Channel), and sundry (Expedition Africa, Mythbusters), et al. [NAFDA]


le nubian - Apr 21, 2011 3:45:43 am PDT #16516 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

for male couples only, I think.


Stephanie - Apr 21, 2011 4:00:29 am PDT #16517 of 23273
Trust my rage

I bet he has learned a lot about teasing out issues in the last several years. Although I always think of his job as more to stir thugs up. (okay, I'm not fixing that.)


Nora Deirdre - Apr 21, 2011 5:15:48 am PDT #16518 of 23273
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I was surprised and impressed at how Probst handled the situation at Tribal Council. Especially considering I'd spent the previous half hour squirming with discomfort about how the white teammates were reacting.

I think Phillip had something too, when he made a parallel that at least some of the contestants could appreciate (w/r/t gender issues.)

Also, Steve, while I understand what you're getting at, a few seasons on the LA Raiders football team does not make you Nelson Mandela. Best thing to do is shhhh! Listen.


Jessica - Apr 21, 2011 5:31:31 am PDT #16519 of 23273
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Best thing to do is shhhh! Listen.

Yeah, there was really nothing Steve could have said that would have made it better for him. Which is unfortunate because I don't actually think he said anything racist - he used a term that Philip has experienced in the past as being racially coded, but I think if you swapped out Philip for Coach or Johnny Fairplay, Steve would have said exactly the same thing.


le nubian - Apr 21, 2011 5:41:56 am PDT #16520 of 23273
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

You know what though? As crazy as Phillip is, I am not going to discount whether he felt like Steve was treating him with a lack of respect. Sure Steve said he was "crazy", but the overall sentiment of lack of respect is what sent him over the edge.

Phillip is a little off and I wouldn't want to spend a day with him, but the group's response to his request would have ticked ME off.


Nora Deirdre - Apr 21, 2011 6:09:42 am PDT #16521 of 23273
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

As crazy as Phillip is, I am not going to discount whether he felt like Steve was treating him with a lack of respect. Sure Steve said he was "crazy", but the overall sentiment of lack of respect is what sent him over the edge.

I agree with this as well. I definitely can't discount Phillip's reactions here and I was very uncomfortable with the rest of the tribe doing so.


Jessica - Apr 21, 2011 6:14:44 am PDT #16522 of 23273
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Oh yes - I forgot to say Steve & co were also acting like assholes over the rice issue that started the whole thing. (Actually Rob started it by manipulating both alliances into keeping their original tribe's food supplies separate in the first place, but he's done an amazing job of making everyone forget that. He's playing Russell's game right now, only he's doing it right.)


Stephanie - Apr 21, 2011 8:53:25 am PDT #16523 of 23273
Trust my rage

Now that I've finally seen the episode, Jeff did a good job teasing all that out.

All I coil think of during that exchange es te privilege of being white. I doubt Steve meant anything racial by his comment but I think Phil was not crazy for responding as he did.


Jesse - Apr 21, 2011 10:08:14 am PDT #16524 of 23273
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

OMG. I just. I don't even. Here:

The reality series starring a bunch of unlikeable reality stars has been revealed, and despite the fact that it stars Danielle Staub, Jake Pavelka, and Heidi Montag, it is not about reviled reality TV show villains. Instead, those cast members will be opening a restaurant in West Hollywood together for VH1’s Famous Food, a show that also stars Ashley Dupre (best known for her paying gig with Eliot Spitzer), Vincent Pastore from the Sopranos, and Three 6 Mafia’s DJ Paul and Juicy “J.”

Speaking of reviled cast members, Big Brother winner and former genital wart owner Mike Malin is overseeing the group along with his Dolce Group partner Lonnie Moore. They will choose one of the celebrities to become a partner in the restaurant.

The most hilarious part about this, besides VH1 identifying Ashley Dupre simply as a “singer,” is that VH1’s press release insists the show stars “a cast of food connoisseurs.”

Of course, all of this sounds like a ridiculous joke, and there’s good reason: it comes from producers Mark Cronin and Cris Abrego at 51 Minds Entertainment, the company responsible for all of VH1’s ridiculous dating shows and, before that, The Surreal Life, so despite the fact that VH1’s press release takes all of this seriously, perhaps they’re returning to their celebrity-mocking roots.

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erikaj - Apr 21, 2011 10:18:42 am PDT #16525 of 23273
Always Anti-fascist!

Are there any *likable* reality stars? Um, Mike Rowe, Tim Gunn(I don't even watch that show, and I still like him, I guess.) I like Bourdain, but that may be proof that I'm a dick.(Speaking of, I think part of his soul just died, upon hearing that those doofuses were inflicting themselves upon the restaurant business.) Anyone else?