Inara: I think she looks adorable. Mal: Yeah, but I never said it.

'Shindig'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Dana - Jul 24, 2007 9:34:58 am PDT #9755 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

brenda wins for her Kazakhstan joke.

Wow, I wonder what it says about me that I feel sorry for Vino. I mean, he shouldn't have done it but it seems like they all do. I think I always liked him because he was so unpredictable and entertaining.

Yeah, me too. I mean, totally stupid, but it must have broken his heart when he crashed so badly.


Fred Pete - Jul 24, 2007 9:38:18 am PDT #9756 of 10001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Congrats, paperdol!


amych - Jul 24, 2007 9:39:06 am PDT #9757 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm with Brenda on Lance (and thanks for the shiny tag, btw!) -- but then I've always the truth was closer to his European rep (great rider, but also an utterly ruthless bastard) more than the American one of the last few years of his career (inspirational golden boy).

The thing with Lance was that he was always really freaky about his public image; he had the corps of bodyguards way before he actually got to be that much more of a star than everyone else on the Tour, demanding complete control to any kind of access to info about him, and he's the ballistic "I will sue you" type about any negative coverage at all. And doing what it takes to make absolutely damn sure that nothing shows up in public, whatever you're doing in private, fits that side of his character*. In much the same way that Floyd being over the top and flamboyant and crazy and getting caught for it fits his.

* Note: not saying that passing drug test = guilty.


sumi - Jul 24, 2007 9:42:40 am PDT #9758 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Baby Dobies!


Ailleann - Jul 24, 2007 9:43:17 am PDT #9759 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I drove past this crash yesterday.

That's right by my place! I was at work, but still. It's kinda crap around there, all merge all the time, but not always a sight of really horrendous accidents due to the lowered speed limit.

If he was drunk, I hope they lock him up.


brenda m - Jul 24, 2007 9:44:34 am PDT #9760 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I remember watching the Tour with my dad before I was aware of all the shenanigans. Now I look and...I can't care. The poor sportsmanship on the parts of those who have been caught or are strongly suspect in recent years ....meh. Bad taste in my mouth.

That's a big part of what I meant when I say they need to take a new approach. Because, dude, doping or no, what they're doing and accomplishing is fucking incredible.

A more rational perspective on doping - I mean, is what Vino did seriously all that different from having gatorade instead of water in your bottle? - might let people see that more. Not to mention eliminating the constant and increasing embarrasment the Tour and other marquee races are threatening to become.


lisah - Jul 24, 2007 9:48:32 am PDT #9761 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

We all feel like frauds about something, right? (Right? Tell me you do, or I'm going to cry.)

Hah! yes, of course.

They just have a well and deliberately managed impostor syndrome.

I guess...And I guess they also must just be thinking it's not wrong to do. It's against the rules but not wrong.


tommyrot - Jul 24, 2007 9:49:23 am PDT #9762 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

And I guess they also must just be thinking it's not wrong to do. It's against the rules but not wrong.

People can rationalize all sorts of things.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 24, 2007 9:56:08 am PDT #9763 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think that most people, unless they are sociopaths, rationalize all the bad stuff they do. I mean, evil people don't think they are evil-- I think in their head they are doing the right thing or they are entitled to do the wrong thing.

When I worked at Penney's, several employees who got caught stealing from the company or from customers seemed to think that they were entitled because Penney's didn't pay them enough, or they were panicked by money problems. These were people I knew and liked, at least well enough. They were "normal" The one I was closest with actually used my associate number as part of the scam.


Stephanie - Jul 24, 2007 9:57:12 am PDT #9764 of 10001
Trust my rage

great rider, but also an utterly ruthless bastard

I think this is probably true. All the people around him seem either super careful/subserviant or they eventually become enemies. I can totally see how a world class athlete, but especially a cyclist, could become an over the top control freak.