Illyria: We cling to what is gone. Is there anything in this life but grief? Wesley: There's love. There's hope...for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy...that your life will lead you to some joy...that after everything...you can still be surprised. Illyria: Is that enough? Is that enough to live on?

'Shells'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Jun 21, 2007 10:25:27 am PDT #4162 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Wait, what?

Whenever Person A tries to make a generalized point about a group of people with a common characteristic, Person B invariably comes in and says "No, *I* know a woman from Cuba, and SHE loves to break-dance, so clearly you are wrong about Cuban dance!"

Information about many people is data; information about one data point is just an anecdote and not therefore representative of any group.

David can say, "Well, msbelle takes up plenty of space and she's a small person physically, so therefore your supposition is incorrect."

But saying that one female human seems -- to him -- to take up a lot of psychic space does not mean that women, by and large, are not encouraged to take up space.


ChiKat - Jun 21, 2007 10:28:45 am PDT #4163 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I agree with Teppy. Women are socially not supposed to take up space, physically or psychologically. When they do, it's often noted like it is with Serena Williams. I don't think when it is noted it is always done pejoratively, but it is unusual enough that it does get noted. Just like connie being labelled as "strong" because she accepts her personal space and behaves with confidence. Not a bad label, but noted for its uniqueness.


Connie Neil - Jun 21, 2007 10:30:37 am PDT #4164 of 10001
brillig

One of the most frustrating things I see around here is young college-age girls on the bus who have old/odd/possibly merely friendly men start talking to them and the girls feel compelled to have conversations they don't want. True, some people feel that any conversation is preferable to reading a book/sitting in silent though, but it's much less common for a guy on his own to have conversations forced upon them than a girl.

Courtesy wars with the right to personal space, and too many times girls are told they're rude when they just want to be left alone.


Lee - Jun 21, 2007 10:33:26 am PDT #4165 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Is anyone else having problems with gmail right now?


Daisy Jane - Jun 21, 2007 10:34:34 am PDT #4166 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

ITA with Steph.

Have you read how she's frequently described by sports journalists? It's common that her size is mentioned, and in terms that make her seem like an anomaly. How often does that happen with male tennis players?

Not only that, but I've heard rumors about her that I think are an attempt to punish her for being, well, her.


Allyson - Jun 21, 2007 10:35:06 am PDT #4167 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Do the men say, "smile!"?

Somewhere in my 20s I just started saying, "no."


Connie Neil - Jun 21, 2007 10:35:55 am PDT #4168 of 10001
brillig

Do the men say, "smile!"?

Not twice.


Dana - Jun 21, 2007 10:36:31 am PDT #4169 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Do the men say, "smile!"?

And some of the women. Women, of course, are supposed to be naturally cheerful and friendly. If you don't smile, there's obviously something wrong with you.

(Wow, you guys are hitting so many of my buttons in sequence, it's almost fun. Next, we should talk about guys who show up in LJ communities and explain to the womenfolk why slash is stupid.)


amych - Jun 21, 2007 10:37:34 am PDT #4170 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Women, of course, are supposed to be naturally cheerful and friendly.

Or at least decorative. Bleagh.


Connie Neil - Jun 21, 2007 10:40:25 am PDT #4171 of 10001
brillig

I wonder how often our lovely Buffista guys feel like they're walking on landmines. I'd blame PMS, but that feels like a cop-out the way telling a shrink "it's my mother's fault" is a cop-out.