I don't give half a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that put you?

Book ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 52: Playing with a full deck?  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 21, 2007 10:06:35 am PDT #4151 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

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The masks I made involved making a cast of the face, for which we needed plaster strips, water, vaseline, and straws. Then the positive was made after this dried, using alginate. I am not sure how expensive this would be, asI did it in college. Also, our primary need was to make masks, not prosthetics, so we might have less detail than you would need for that.


brenda m - Jun 21, 2007 10:07:22 am PDT #4152 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

yeah. I also don't give up shared armrests without a fight.

Totally.


Steph L. - Jun 21, 2007 10:07:34 am PDT #4153 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Why does morning keep showing up? Surely it must know by now that it is just not wanted.

I can't understand why today isn't Friday. I mean, this week has already been, like, 13 days long!

That's something most women struggle with: the fact that we're allowed to take up space, whether it be psychological or physical

I didn't read the article, so I might be missing context but my reaction to this statement is, no, women are NOT allowed to take up space. Physical OR psychological. At least, not in the 21st-century world that I live in. Would that it were so, but it just ain't.

t edit So I just read the article, and I see that Ouellette made the same point I made, but with a positive girl-power spin on it. So pls. to ignore this post kthxbai.


DavidS - Jun 21, 2007 10:12:05 am PDT #4154 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I didn't read the article, so I might be missing context, but my reaction to this statement is, no, women are NOT allowed to take up space.

I don't know. msbelle takes up a lot of space and she's physically small. But you know she's in the room.


Steph L. - Jun 21, 2007 10:13:28 am PDT #4155 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I don't know. msbelle takes up a lot of space and she's physically small. But you know she's in the room.

I mean culturally, women as a whole are not allowed or encouraged to take up space. Individual women might well take up space, and proudly, but that doesn't prove that it's culturally acceptable for women in general to do so. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Kathy A - Jun 21, 2007 10:15:24 am PDT #4156 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I keep trying to figure out how I learned to stare straight back at the world, to not be a mouse. Because too many people have commented on how tough/strong/etc. I seem, and I don't think I'm doing anything out of the ordinary.

It may not seem like it here, or even in F2F experiences, but I'm actually a bit shy when it comes to meeting new people, especially at a big party where I don't know everyone. But, I always fall back on my childhood training of looking someone straight in the eye and shaking their hand firmly when introduced (my mom and dad both told me that a limp handshake is one of the worst ways to present yourself, and giving the sign of peace at Mass is great practice). In addition, my bone structure doesn't allow my shoulders to hunch (it's almost painful to do so), and as a result, I always stand very tall and my head usually is held high. It ends up making me look much more confident than I really am.


DavidS - Jun 21, 2007 10:18:17 am PDT #4157 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I mean culturally, women as a whole are not allowed or encouraged to take up space. Individual women might well take up space, and proudly, but that doesn't prove that it's culturally acceptable for women in general to do so. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

I think "not allowed" is overbroad (no pun). It's been legally allowed for a long time, and I think it's been culturally allowed for a couple decades.

How is Serena Williams not allowed her physicality?


Steph L. - Jun 21, 2007 10:21:21 am PDT #4158 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I think "not allowed" is overbroad (no pun). It's been legally allowed for a long time, and I think it's been culturally allowed for a couple decades.

I disagree. t edit About the cultural aspect. Yes, fair point, there is no law that makes it illegal for women to occupy physical space. But I don't think that anyone really thinks that there is.

How is Serena Williams not allowed her physicality?

Have you read how she's frequently described by sports journalists? It's common that her size is mentioned, and in terms that make her seem like an anomaly. How often does that happen with male tennis players?


Jesse - Jun 21, 2007 10:22:27 am PDT #4159 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Serena Williams is a freak. Awesome, but freakish.

Look around on the subway, and see who's taking up more than their share of space. Hint: It's not the ladies.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

Wait, what?


Dana - Jun 21, 2007 10:22:55 am PDT #4160 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Look around on the subway, and see who's taking up more than their share of space.

Oh, my god, the legs. CLOSE YOUR DAMN LEGS.